Pam wrote:
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If he *believed* it, and he had no intent to deceive, then it was NOT A LIE. Lying = intent to deceive. It may have been a false statement, stupid, naive, or any number of other things, but not a lie.
Yes, that's what I think, but I didn't want to say all that - so much to write smile But you're right to call me on my use of "lie" in that context: it's not the right word.

Glad to see you got my point about hockey. It's hugely violent, thuggish - allows fans to subliminate all their inner violent tendencies and hostilities. It's all out there on the ice - and then they go home and do no harm. Think the same thing probably holds true for soccer, football etc.

But I can only guess about what is going with the fans of beach volleyball. wink

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Is this the flap about the Obama staffer telling some Canadian official not to pay attention to Obama's public villifying of NAFTA, 'cause he didn't really mean it?
Yes. There's a flap? - had no idea.

c.