"CJ" is a common use for Lois and Clark's first son in fanfiction. I don't remember the name being used in canon, so I'm assuming its fanon. Does anyone know or remember who first used this name? Or why it stuck?

Is CJ common for Lois and Clark's oldest son, or does it only refer to the baby found during "The Family Hour" (when that baby is a boy)?

I know that the bear that Clark won for Lois in GGGoH is commonly known here on the boards as Clarkie. The first time I heard that name (and loved it) was in IolantheAlias's 2011 story Chocolate Lab . If it appeared before then with this name, I missed it.

I'm just curious where and how fanon lore develops. What are your thoughts?

I was reading a facfic where Clark from one time frame meets Clark from another, and Lois refers to the one from the younger time-frame as CJ.

There was also a fan fic where CJ was a Clark from a different dimension (where solar-radiation is lower, so he does not have super powers, and he is an assistant DA in a Metropolis plagued by courts corrupted by Luthor.)

It seems to me more often Clark and Lois' oldest son gets named Jonathan than CJ, but naming him Clark Jerome Kent Jr. and calling him CJ works.

John's right -- generally when CJ is used in a fic, it is short for Clark Jerome Kent, Jr, or in the case of alternate universe stories, a nickname Clark uses for himself. For their kids, Jonathan is also pretty common for boys, and I seem to remember a stretch where Lanie was popular for girls, as was Emma/Emmy (maybe after Teri had her daughter?) And, of course, the S5 & S6 teams chose Laura.

As for Clarkie-the-Bear, I can't remember when that one came on the scene, other than it was very early! So early, in fact, that I wonder if it might have been mentioned in a script or by the actors, but it could have just been named in a very early fanfic and it was so logical that it stuck. In fact, the first mention of it in a fanfic that I can recall came in the majordomo days, so you know it's been around a long time.

ETA: I was curious, so I went through my old computer files to see if I could find the story I was thinking of, that mentioned Clarkie the bear early on, and I actually found it. It was from 1995! And yes, it was from the majordomo days, before we had a website aarchive. Alas, it's no longer on the archive so I can't link to it, but for those old timers like myself who remember the salad days of the fandom, it was called "Clarkie: A Thanksgiving Story". (Now how's that for a blast from the past? )

Kathy

Didn't Lois/Lucy call Clark/Desi, Clarkie, in the daydream fantasy episode. Can't remember the name , but the phrase, "Clarkie, I just wannna be part of the action," keeps popping into my head.

Jude

I think so, Jude. I distinctly remember at least one instance of a dreamworld Lois calling him Clarkie. Did Lana call Alt Clark Clarkie at one point in Tempus, Anyone? as well?

I've never seen a fic where an alt-Clark (any version) has been called CJ. This is a new concept (to me).

Yes, I've seen this numerous times and it never makes sense to me. I cannot for the life of me comprehend why Clark would ever call any son "Clark Jerome Kent, Jr" or "Clark Junior". It is my understanding of Clark's personality that he would want any son of his own to walk in his own shoes (be his own man, so to speak). Clark and Lois would know that as the son of Superman (even if only known within one's own family) would be difficult enough burden to carry. Additionally, Clark would be especially wary should, like alt-Clark, his secret identity be revealed.

The only way I could understand them naming a child "Clark Jerome Kent, Jr" would be if Lois thought Clark was dead, without knowing that CK=SM, and named the child that in honor of his dead father.

I could, on the other hand, definitely see him and Lois honoring his father Jonathan, possibly Martha (although that name is a bit old-fashioned, so more likely as a middle name) and his birth mother, Lara (the name I chose, when dealing with the Family Hour's child). Jor-El, possibly, again Americanized (or humanized) as a type of middle name. Samuel and Ellen as well, makes sense to me (if Lois agrees, or possibly just to shut up Ellen, but use her name as a middle name).

I would more likely understand Clark and Lois picking a name that has nothing to do with anyone they know, because most of us don't name our children after our folks (do we?). Lois and Clark would know full well that their child, being the first Kryptonian-human, would be unique and be treated as such with either a plain-jane name (which is, no offense, why Jonathan makes sense) or a unique name (nothing too unique as to be made up, or as offensive to one's ears as the babyname from the Twilight books / movie

Wow! That's amazing! Thanks for the history of Clarkie's name. I love it!

Did she? I don't remember. Now, I'll want to see that episode again! Does anyone remember which one it was? "Don't Tug on Superman's Cloak" perhaps?

No! Did she? All right. I've got to watch that again tonight? I remember she called him something in that babydoll voice of hers, but for the life of me can't remember what. It *could* have been Clarkie.

I just checked the TA script and can't find it. I could swear she does in the show though. Or maybe I'm just making her even more obnoxious in my mind.

I just forced myself to watch "Tempus, Anyone?" again (oh, darn. ) and Lana ONLY calls Clark "Clark". He calls her "sweetheart", but that's the only endearment that they share between them. Phew.

So sorry you had to brave that. Okay, I guess Lana's sickly sweetness is worse in my own sick head. Good to know.

The things we do for our stories. Sigh.

That's how I feel - that they would choose something unrelated to the family. That's why I went with original names when I've written the Kent children in (Michael, Hunter, and Rebecca). But, I could see them honoring the family with secret Kryptonian names, which would also keep that part of their heritage alive. So, Michael as Jon-El after Clark's Earth dad, Hunter as Jor-El for Clark's bio dad, and Rebecca as Marla-El (a mix of Martha and Lara). I see them more likely to honor Clark's folks that way since Lois' parents wouldn't even know about the secret Kryptonian names.

Perhaps you're thinking of when Veronica calls him 'Clarkey' in WIEaK? Her voice was certainly annoying enough.

Joy,
Lynn

I think that the bear was actually named Clarkie bear in the series, but I don't know where it turns up. The bear found its way to Lois in GGGoH, that I know for sure. When its name is mentioned I cannot say, though.

Regarding "CJ" for Lois' and Clark's oldest son - I know of one series where Luthor manages to create a perfect Clone of Clark, and Lois and Clark then adopt the clone baby and call him CJ. (Nan Smith' Dagger Series). There is also a whole next-gen series where Lois and Clark's second son is named Samuel Clark, but everyone calls him CJ. (I don't remember the name of the series, but its last installment is "Meet Sam Wayne".)

That's the Dawn of Discovery series by C. Leuch.

The Samuel Clark/CJ series is by Cindy Leuch, and Jonathan is the older brother. Veronica calls Clark "Clarkey" in WIEAK, and Lois repeats it in disgust. But I also seem to remember Lois saying it sometime later in a baby doll voice to tease Clark, but I can't remember when. Maybe she just says, "Oh, Cla-ark," making two syllables of his name and that's what I'm remembering.

What does the cloned Lois (Clois) call Clark? Does *she* call him Clarkie?

Yes. Dream Lois/Lucy calls him Clarkie right after the Kents explode in "Don't Tug On Superman's Cape."

I think she stuck to Clark and Honey.

Ooooh! That might be it! Thanks!

I guess I'm just perpetuating the myth by using CJ and Clarkie Bear in my series.

There are also a few stories that use Lara for the daughter, most recently "Yes Virginia, there is a Superman".

Well, I am 90% sure she calls him Clarkie. In the script we have on this site the line is "Oh, Clark-ieee. Lemme 'splain why they 'sploded..." Since they often changed lines from the scripts we have (either further revisions, or just ad libbing or messing up lines) I can't be totally sure she calls him Clarkie, but I am pretty sure she does. Of course this makes it even more "I Love Lucy"-ish since "Clarkie" is so much like "Ricky".

This is the opening scene of "Don't Tug on Superman's Cape." I have to say I liked the "I Love Lucy" part better than the "James Bond" and "Dragnet" parts.

From the script:

The phone RINGS shrilly. The wires POP from the clock.

LOIS
Uh-oh.

HYSTERICAL AUDIENCE. Jonathan and Martha BLOW UP in a comic "flashpot" explosion. Lois stands dazed and smoke-smudged. Superman wears that wild-eyed, eyebrows to the ceiling look Ricky made famous. As the smoke clears --

SUPERMAN
AY, CARAMBA! You 'sploded them.

LOIS
(patented Lucy whine)
Oh, Clark-ieee. Lemme 'splain why they 'sploded...

The phone continues to RING!

In StopQuitDont's story Purgatory the boy is called Clark Kent Junior.

Virginia wrote:
Oh, Virginia, then you are in for a treat because you've missed one of the best series in the archive, Chris Carr's "An Extraordinary Man" and "An Extraordinary Man: Part Two -- Trials and Triumphs."

An Extraordinary Man

An Extraordinary Man 2

Absolutely awesome series! (Kerth nominees both, including a Best Overall Kerth nom for EM2. )

Kathy

Thank you for the recommendations. I've added them to my must-read list.

Since we're on the topic, I thought some of you might find this interesting, even if it's old (from January 19, 2000, to be exact!)

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I love "next generation" fanfics. . . you know, those fics about L&C's future kids? So, for fun. . . or maybe just because I am insane. . . I decided to go through all 1,200* of those fanfics on the Archive and seek out the "next generation" fanfics. It only took 4 days. It was a rewarding experience. . . one that I will never do again!

*All in all (and I may be off by a few numbers here but I am pretty sure all my statistics are pretty darn accurate), there are just over 100 "next generation" (NG) fanfics.

*Since many of those fanfics are part of NG series (for example, some authors have written 2, 3, 4 or more stories using the same characters), I also counted just how many NG series there were. Any fanfic that was not part of a series was counted as one NG. And each series, no matter how many fanfics it contained (as long as each story in the series was about the same characters), was also counted as one NG. The total: 85 NGs.

*Next I decided to count the individual number of children. I counted every named child, and never the same kid twice. There are roughly 150 children total.

*The average number of kids that Lois and Clark have in NGs is 1.76.

*The highest number of kids that L&C have is 5, in the fanfic "The Eyes Show It All."

MOST POPULAR NAMES FOR L&C'S KIDS. . .

BOYS: There are 12 different "C.J."/"Clark Jrs." and 12 different "Jon"/"Jonathans" in fanfic land. "Jordan" was also popular, with a score of 10. Other somewhat popular names included "Sam" or "Sammy," "Joel," "Perry," "Josh," "Christopher," "Matthew," "Michael/Mikey," "Andrew," and "Kyle."

GIRLS: The most popular name for girls was "Laura," with five. Here's some other names that showed up quite a bit. . .

Lara-3
Katy/Kat/Cat/Catie-6 total, with different spellings.
Claire/Clare/Clara--4 total, with different spellings.
Marty-3
Lane/Lanie/Laney-3 total, with different spellings.
And here's a tounge twister. . . There was also a Callie, a Hallie, a Kallie, a Kayley, a Kaylie, and a Kelly.
And partridge in a pear tree.

MOST POPULAR MIDDLE NAME (Most kids' middle names weren't mentioned):

1st PLACE--Jerome--since most of the "C.J"s stood for "Clark Jerome"
2nd PLACE--Elaine/Ellen/Elayne/Elena--a bunch of these, with many different spellings
3rd PLACE--Samuel
4th PLACE--(tie) Elizabeth and Lara

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*Not bad that we've tripled the number of archived stories in the last 13 years, eh?

Then there was one fic where Clark and Lois had a son named Lane. Of course, the situation was way more complexed than that, but that was his name and those were his parents.

Molly, that's a great post. Definitely a fun "blast from the past." Are you the OP on those stats or did someone else do the searching? Isn't it awesome that this fandom is still adding to the archive, even after all these years? Warms my "Editor in Chief" heart.

Kathy

Yes, I did that. I was really into next-gen fics back then! (Obviously.)