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I have to disagree with you on Lex having something set up so he wouldn't hit the ground. He had to much ego to believe anyone would have the nerve to try and arrest him in the first place. He was smarter than everyone else and more vicious so no one would figure out want he was doing and if they did he had power (Fear) over everyone to keep them quite. Why do you think he said get me the President when he was yelling during the attempt to arrest him. He was impressed with what he thought was his importance.

I totally believe he would kill himself rather than be locked up. He would never be locked up like a common criminal - he believed he was above everyone else. Remember in the Pilot everyone has to look up to him because he owns and lives in the tallest building in Metropolis. He gave the orders, he didn't take them. Especially from prison guards - who he would consider low-lifes. The rest of the world was there to cater to his whims. Submit to prison - NEVER.

I always felt the writers after Debra left were just to lazy to put any real effort into coming up with believable, creative characters or story lines (for the most part) so they just kept resurrecting Lex/Nigel and Tempus. Then when they figured they had brought him back as many times as they could get away with we start with his SONS razz

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I totally believe he would kill himself rather than be locked up.
Oh, absolutely. That's a given. If pushed into a corner with no way out, there's no way he'd allow lesser beings to take him in.

My point though is that I don't believe he'd allow himself to get to that point in the first place. Lex would always have an escape route planned in advance, a Plan B...and C and...Z. laugh

That's why I was always surprised to see him leap from the penthouse window. My Lex would have had something set up in reserve so that if he was ever caught up there, he'd have a way out. A helipad on the roof, for example, would make much more sense to me. laugh

BTW, I was thinking about this the other day...is there anything in the ensuing episodes which actually states that it's Lex's body that's retrieved and reanimated? Because I was thinking that the whole set up, the tank etc. is very...clone-like. And now I'm wondering if it was a clone instead. But I haven't watched the eps in long enough that I have no clue what backstory we were given.

A clone would make so much more sense though than any plot to save himself once he leapt out of the window, simply because it would have been such a difficult trick to pull off successfully and because Lex had used clone technology in the past, of course.

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See to me, Lex isn't the kind of guy who gives up. And killing yourself is the ultimate form of giving up.

Lex has probably got so many lawers they're coming out of his a... um... nose. I think it would be very likely that someone as revered as Lex would be able to eventually wiggle out of any major charges. Just think about how many CEOs in our world that have gotten away with everything because they're so big and powerful. So to me it seemed kind of silly that he was willing to just give up on any hope of getting out of the situation. Like LabRat said, I think he would have some kind of back-up plan if things were to fall through for him. Yeah, he's got an ego, but he never got too cocky so as not to prepare for the worst possibility. It wasn't his ego that was his downfall, it was his obsession with Lois.

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A while back, I wrote my own version of what should have happened in this arc while contemplating throwing something through the TV screen:


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Whether Lex would jump or not could be discussed forever. I still hold firm to my belief that Lex would jump. Yes I believe he had escape plans, contingencies of all sorts. But the circumstances were out of the ordinary in many ways:
1. It is the middle of the wedding.

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2. Lois has just turned him down at the alter. That is humilitating for anyone. For him it is beyond that.
3. It is obvious that he has no clue he was really being investigated or that if he did that it had gotten far enough for an arrest warrant.
4. That they chose to arrest him in the middle of his wedding.
5. That he didn't have time to take care of Mrs. Cox. He says et tu Mrs. Cox. So he obviously knows she will turn states evidence, thereby betraying him.
6. Superman is locked in his basement and his biggest desire is to see Superman dead.
7. Then the final blow is when Superman has won yet again by escaping and Luthor is denied his "pound of flesh."

So instead of following any of his escape plans he takes a detour to the basement before doing anything else to kill Superman. I say BEFORE because when he finds him gone he goes back to his office to retrieve something. Why not get that first, kill Superman in the basement and leave through a basement escape route. I would feel that there is one there as well as any number of other places in the building.

So yes he would jump because ultimately he has had a break with reality and will not let lesser beings decide his fate. His HUGE EGO will not allow it.

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He says et tu Mrs. Cox. So he obviously knows she will turn states evidence, thereby betraying him.
He says that because she's obviously already betrayed him - she's wearing handcuffs and being escorted by the police at that point. laugh


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Um... this is really off topic, but LabRat, I can't restrain myself any longer and I just have to say how much I love that you have a House quote for your sig. I loved Cole and wish he could've stayed.

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BTW, I was thinking about this the other day...is there anything in the ensuing episodes which actually states that it's Lex's body that's retrieved and reanimated? Because I was thinking that the whole set up, the tank etc. is very...clone-like. And now I'm wondering if it was a clone instead. But I haven't watched the eps in long enough that I have no clue what backstory we were given.
After Lex jumps there's a series of newspaper headlines detailing was has gone on since the attempted arrest and Lex's jump. One of the last headlines says that Luthor's body disappeared from the morgue. Then during all of the run ins with Gretchen Kelly, they make mention of the fact that it is Lex's body.

Now, he very well could have been a clone. Let's face it, Lex's body would have been destroyed beyond recognition. And regardless, coming back from the dead is pretty much impossible. Not that clones are necessarily any more believable, but this is the LnC universe so clones seem to be pretty common. :rolleyes: Stealing the body could have just been Gretchen's way of getting DNA to make the clone.

I think the intention of the writers was that Lex was brought back to life in his original body. They weren't shy about their clone themes so I feel like they would have made that known if it were the case. However, I'm inclined to think that you're free to believe whatever you'd like about how Lex came back. They are all equally (im)possible. goofy

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but LabRat, I can't restrain myself any longer and I just have to say how much I love that you have a House quote for your sig. I loved Cole and wish he could've stayed.
Cool. laugh I thought that without the original team this series would have no interest for me, but I've really been enjoying it so far!

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Originally posted by kmar:
Yes I know Dean created the first son. I actually enjoyed that episode - especailly in Lois' apartment. I still get flushed watching Dean's shirt come off. It was the whole Luckabee arc I hated. razz
I'm privy to that episode because Dean yells out my real name.
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Not to mention that we got cheated out of seeing the "how the heck do I *live* with this person?" that a newly married couple goes through. Which side of the bed are you going to sleep on? How do you sort your laundry? Do you squeeze the toothpaste tube from the middle or the end? Leave the dishes until morning or wash them right away? Is he willing to buy your feminine hygiene products?
Doesn't this just scream 'write-me!', 'write-me!'?

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