Thanks, Vicki - although, I did give the guys permission to write me privately as well as post here... And I also crossposted this to several mailing lists and fandoms. And I've gotten a good number of private replies from both men and women who know about men laugh - thanks to all of them, although I would still like more replies. I have a little bit of place to start, so it's a help even so...

Of course, it would be great to see a good long discussion thread, too... <hint hint>

Melisma (grinning under her Rock, going back to plotting her story...)


Do, or do not. There is no try.
- Yoda