So, a simple question (mostly for female fans ):

Do you think Dean Cain looks better as Clark or as Superman? Or maybe you just can't decide?

We're talking just for the LOOKS (major differences can be found in the glasses and the hair), not for the attitude, the dressing style or anything else.

So???

See ya.
AnnaBtG.

P.S.:I prefer Clark.

Clark, definitely! No contest!

Jana

Definitely as Clark. Superman's hair is a little too greasy <g> Also, for me, part of what makes someone attractive is the expressions on their face -- and Clark was able to show a wider range, since Superman was supposed to be stoic sometimes.

PJ

Clark! *sigh* I love his ties! <g> Superman just couldn't pull off those ties. LOL. And, as Pam said, Clark was able to pull off more facial expressions, especially with Lois.

Just my $00.02

Caroline

*SIGH*

I'm ALL about Clark..he's almost TOO good to be true.

~Liz

I wish I could choose...

I know, I have to be different Clark is wonderfully, slurpily yummy, but Supes has this indefinable... something... about him. Maybe it's the Suit, letting you see all the... bulges... he so deliciously shows in it - and you gotta admit, as Clark, the journalist suits and stuff are a lot less revealing... I don't know. But Deano pulls them both off fantastically, if you ask me.

Melisma (... trying to remember that this is *supposed* to be a PG list, here under her Rock )

EDITED July 4...

Me, I don't chose Clark or Superman, I stuck with Lois and the skirts that she wears sometimes

Jose

ROTFL, Jose!

For me, definitely Clark. I always thought that that slicked-back look with the hair never really suited Dean, it was too severe for his face.

My favourite look is Clark sans glasses - when he always looked at his most vulnerable or little boy cute. Second is Clark with glasses and very much last on the list comes Superman, every time.

LabRat

Without a doubt Clark wins everytime!

Tricia

Who needs the suit!! Or ties! I'll take shirtless Clark with or without glasses any day of the week !!

Missy

I hear you, Missy - let's forget the shirt and tie, the suit, the glasses, the cape, the socks, the... boxers? Does Clark wear boxers? Let's just have a long slurpy li...look...

Ooops, sorry... Splashing in gutter again...

Melisma (under her Rock, amazed at how easy it is to do that!)

EDITED July 4...

Try harder, Mel. You're pushing the envelope here, and we do have underage readers on these boards.

PJ

Ewwww! Melisma!

I merely mentioned that I liked Clark without a shirt... let's not get inappropriate.

The series showed Clark shirtless several times - I was just sticking to canon...

Missy

Definitly as Clark. As Clark Dean looks much more `normal`and down to earth.
Not only does Superman have glitch-hair but also is stlye to dress a litte...weird

sunshine

Well, put it this way: I would probably have a Superman poster up on the wall, but be curling up on the couch with Clark. Cuter, more personable, and guaranteed for a laugh. Can you really say that about Big Blue?

I voted Clark because Superman just doesn't do anything for me - can't get excited about all that spandex and slicked-back hair. Any guy would look better as Clark than as Superman as far as I'm concerned.

That said, I think DC makes one of the best Supermen I've seen. I can appreciate the look in an intellectual kind of a way, even if it doesn't set my heart racing.

Yvonne

Hmm... let me say (as an "underager" myself) that, nowadays, every kid 12+ years old can understand "references" like these, and they would not feel offended.
(And I do not believe that there are FoLCs under than 12 years old here)

But, for the sake of the boards, maybe we all should be more "careful".

AnnaBtG.

P.S.: Thank you for responding. (The results are very interesting, I have to say!!)

I'm with Jose. Neither Clark nor Superman does a thing for me, but if I were to choose I'd say Clark. I've always liked the GQ look.

Maybe the guys should hold their own poll. Does Lois look better in mini skirts or pants suits?

I'm 23 and an nfic writer, and I was offended. I have also heard from many, many people today who were upset by this comment - most of them well above "the age of consent." As for the underage issue, it's not a matter of whether they feel offended reading it, it's a legal matter about whether they are *allowed* to read it. And references like this push the legal limits. We don't want to take any chances on things like this.

Annie

Couldn't have said it better myself! There's just something about Clark. <bg>



Dean always looks great!

~Amanda

Oh, *great* picture, Amanda! Thanks for the visual aid

PJ

I would definately choose Clark over Superman... Actually I like Clark without glasses, but without the slicked-back hair too. Clark with glasses is just about as good though!

Just IMO, I think you're all being a little harsh towards Mel

Well, I am 22 years old and I *did* understand the "references" and I *did* take offense to them. And it's not like I am prude either -- I read the occasional nfic -- but the "sitting on a towel" comment just made me go "EEEEEEEEEEW, go ahead and do that, but don't tell *me* you're doing it".


- Alicia

I'm sorry if it is coming across that way. No one is trying to be hard on anyone else. However, this is board open to people of all ages and we are therefore required by law to keep the content at or below a PG-13 level. We could be in very serious trouble if we don't.

Beyond that, comments of that nature just aren't appropriate in many circumstances. Even many of people who are legally allowed to read content of that nature choose not to. They should not have to be exposed to it here. We want the boards to be a comfortable, welcoming place for all people.

I'm sorry if any of the comments came across as harsh, but it was simply an honest reaction to an offensive and potential legally risky situation.

Just to clear up - or have someone else clear up <g> - a couple of points regarding Mel's post:

Firstly - has it been edited by Mel subsequent to the posts in reaction to it? And if so are some of us reacting to the new post and not the original content and thus having our impressions of the reaction to Mel's comments distorted?

When I read the thread yesterday I thought Mel's post (as it stands right now) was a little risque but not that terrible. However reference in a subsequent post which I've just caught up with this morning to 'sitting on a towel' - content which doesn't appear in Mel's post as it now stands - now makes me think that Pam and Missy's posts were in response to other content which is now not visible in the thread.

If so this could obviously be distorting impressions of what was originally said and what was said in reaction to the original comment. And could be making the reaction posts seem harsher than they were, since what they were reacting to is no longer visible to those of us who came late to the discussion and didn't view the original.

So perhaps we shouldn't judge those who responded to the original unless we see what they were responding to.

Secondly, whether individuals of any age were offended or not offended really isn't the point, as Annie has pointed out. It's the parents of the underagers reading this that we have to look out for. We've all seen incidents in the past on other forums where the parents of little Suzy have been less than pleased to glance over her shoulder when she's been online and seen some salacious content and threats of legal retribution start flying like blizzards thereafter. It's this kind of consideration that the admins of the forums have to take into account in this kind of circumstance.

LabRat

LabRat,

I don't know if you've noticed it already, but Melisma wrote two posts. The first one was the 6th reply (where the "towel" comment is taken from) and the second one is the 11th reply (with the other comment I'd rather not to mention).

-

Hmm... as my parents have no idea about PC's, Internet etc. and never come to check me, I tend to forget what they'd say...

I get your meaning now, and I'm sorry if my previous comment was annoying or offending in any way.
Besides, the truth is that I avoid using this kind of "references", wherever I am (RL or here).

AnnaBtG.

Not in the slightest, Anna, and no need at all to apologise. My post wasn't directed at anyone in particular - certainly you weren't on my mind at all when I posted - and I didn't think anyone was offensive or rude in their responses to the original 'problem'. Or even the responses to the responses. Quite the opposite in fact.

And thanks for pointing me to Mel's second post - that clears up some of my confusion, at least. Yes, you're entirely right - I hadn't understood that we were talking about two separate posts. For some reason I'd thought that this all started after my last post to the thread and so it didn't occur to me to look back further than that. :rolleyes: So the only thing that made any sense was that the post everyone was talking about had been edited.

But I see the pattern now; thanks for the headsup.

LabRat (who is almost ashamed to destroy her gutter reputation by saying she didn't even get the towel reference. )

Yeah, what they said

And I must admit that my reaction was colored by the fact that Melisma has pushed this particular envelope on these boards before -- and been warned about it before. And from the gutter reference in her second post, it seemed that she knew very well she was pushing the envelope again.

Plus I happen to believe there are a *few* twelve year olds out there who have somehow managed to hold onto some innocence, and I don't want this board to be the place that some more of it slips away. We're all clever enough here for discretion and subtle references. Exactly the way the show handled things, actually.

PJ

Perhaps I've misunderstood the concept of administrators and moderators. But if a post is found to have offensive language in it, wouldn't it make more sense for one of them to simply edit said post, rather than have an entire thread devoted to making sure that those of us with somewhat naive world views finally get the double entendre?

Schoolmarm (who admits to having lived a somewhat sheltered life)

I think the problem with your proposal, Schoolmarm, is that there wasn't enough of an offence in what Mel posted to warrant that stage of intervention.

If you read Pam's post you'll see that she talks of pushing the envelope. IOW, Mel was pushing dangerously close to being over the line - but she wasn't all the way there yet. It was a borderline case. Therefore, a gentle warning to Mel to keep in mind the ratings limit of this section of the board was issued instead. I wasn't involved in that decision, but I think it was the right one - we're not in the business of being draconian or editing/deleting posts without giving posters a fair chance first to realise their mistake and play by the rules.

In that sense, yes, you have misinterpreted the role of the moderators and admins. It's all about trying to gently persuade members to abide by the clearly stated rules of the mbs, rather than forcing them to with arbitrary acts of censorship or editing. It's a balancing act, taking each case on its merits, rather than a strict policing role.

I am certain, however, that if Mel - or anyone else - continued to push and not heed the warnings given to her, then other options would be considered by the Admins. And certainly if someone posted outright offensive language then action would be taken to remove the post.

I take your point regarding the debate that followed on naturally from the warnings issued. The Admins didn't start a thread of discussion on the subject, but there was, of course, no way to prevent those with genuine concerns on the issues raised or questions from posting their opinions. Nor should there have been as they're perfectly entitled to do so - and as I stated earlier no one was rude about it.

But this did mean that Mel's inopportune comments got more attention than they might otherwise have done - always the problem in this kind of matter.

Perhaps, in future, we might mail someone a reminder of the ratings limits instead. However, there is also a bonus in making the warning public in that you shake out any misunderstandings among other members about what is permitted and what isn't and save yourself time in repeating yourself. While reminding one member you will probably in passing remind others too and prevent a situation arising before it does. Which is obviously preferable to having to warn someone after the event.

Again...a balancing act. And there is an element of feeling our way in this - it's a new situation for most of us acting as moderators/admins and we're learning as we go. But I'm sure we'll be discussing the issues arising out of this matter and thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention. It's certainly something I'm sure we'll consider for the future.

LabRat

Back on topic.

Clark looks better. He actually smiles. Superman occasionally smiles, but it's not nearly as genuine. It's more like he's holding back...

And the glasses are really okay; they sort of suit him. The Superman Hair was too.........slicky. The Clark Hair was greasy, but not nearly as much.

Anyway, this is MHO.

Okay, that's what I get for making a post and then going away for a few days...

My apologies to everyone who was offended by my remarks. I do tend to get a little R-rated from time to time, but I try to keep from being offensive if I can. How-be I go back and edit the post in question?

And I'll try to watch my language on the PG boards from here on in...

EDIT - Admins, let me know if either of my previous posts needs further editing, please?

Melisma (contrite, here under her Rock)

PS, Amanda, that picture of Clark is just so... wonderful... to look at. Thanks for posting it!

Clark without a doubt cos I love the tousled hair look more than the slicked back straight stuff. Though to be completely honest I like it when he is Clark Kent but he has lost the glasses the scene where Lois pulls his glasses off him in WHALTTA is a great example!

I totally agree. I also don't mind taking his shirt off for him or slipping my hands through that shirt to satisfy an irresitable urge in my right arm to rub his abs (six-packs).

off topic
And there I thought labrat was a male. Big mistake.

Come on, guys, what's not to like?



Smile, dimples...

I agree on the Clark look too but don't be too hard on Mister Hardbody

Clark definately he looked good in those suits and glasses, especially when he wore black shirts like in Barbarians at the planet, Honeymoon in Metropolis, And the Answer is and so on....

the essential problem with this question is the fact that both Clark *and* Superman are the same person, therefore, aside from dressing styles, they are identical... and they both look like Dean Cain.

BF

Undoubtedly, they're the same person, Laura; I don't think you'd find anyone arguing with that. But this was the question:

Are you really telling me that there is no difference in appearance between these three pictures?








(And note, I didn't go for a scruffy-look Dean Cain picture )


Wendy

I chose Clark. I don't really like the way he looks as Superman - I don't like the hair, and I don't even really care much for the suit.

Like Labrat, my real favorite it Clark without glasses - and for the same reason.

But, as BrightFeather rightfully points out, there's no getting around the fact that it's still Dean! He looks good all the time. Off hand, I can think of three times in particular when he just took my breath away. Interestingly enough, each one is a different "look":

Clark - when he was on his knees telling Lois "marry me". (end of Krypton arc, I forget the episode name)

Superman - when he kissed Lois' hand in Contact

Clark w/out glasses - when he came down the stairs and took off his glasses in Sex, Lies & Videotape.

- Vicki

Clark definitely.

I also prefer his internpretation of Clark to his Superman ones.

As Clark Kent most definately..*Sighs*..He's absolutely GORGEOUS!!

I just like to thank this board for keeping it clean for the "underagers". Although I'm 15 and have been exposed to way worse then this it's nice to know that there are adults out there keeping a watchful eye out for younger kids. So I thank you..

You're welcome, Katryna, and thanks for your comment, too! I really appreciate it -- it's nice to know there are some younger kids who don't think we're being big old meanies

PJ
also a fan since 1995

I reckon he looks way better as Clark than Super man cos he seemed more endearing and cute. The attitude he possesses as Clark is so much more cute that Superman.