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#237227 09/10/07 10:09 AM
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Hm, it would be an option, but I think it's better to set up an entire new wiki. That way we have more control over everything.

I've been looking into several wiki engines and have found a few interesing ones that would fit the general needs. I'm also looking for free web spaces with the required options like PHP and MySQL and so on. I'll try to make a compilation of all the information I've gathered and e-mail it this week to those who are interested.


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#237228 09/11/07 06:56 AM
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I was on the list already back in what was it? February? Anyway, I'm still interested smile


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#237229 09/12/07 07:25 AM
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Contact me privately on the hosting - I can add a wiki to the World of Lois & Clark site.


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#237230 09/16/07 11:59 AM
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I just sent out a mail with more information about the current wiki status. If there is anyone else who wants to be included, just let me know!


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#237231 09/16/07 01:11 PM
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Waiting for email? confused


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#237232 09/17/07 09:38 AM
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Dandello, I sent you an e-mail as well, but this is what I got:

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This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

momkat@dandello.net

Technical details of permanent failure:
PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 16): 552 5.2.0 209.85.198.187 URL in message blacklisted. See http://www.surbl.org
I'll try sending it again.


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#237233 09/18/07 05:37 AM
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If you guys need space I can give that and set up the initial Wiki and leave you guys to fleshing it out. Just let me know.

we can even go for an url: lncwiki.com, which is available.

Let me know and I can get the ball rolling.


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#237234 09/18/07 06:00 AM
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I also have room and access to a cgi-bin, PHP and MySQL. But my mail doesn't seem to be coming through from AnHauquier. I can be contacted off-line though.

I'm also a professional web programmer (Yeah, I get paid.)


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#237235 09/18/07 09:03 AM
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I hope my e-mail finally got through!

As I said in my e-mail, a little more than a week ago, I set up a free hosting space and put a wiki based on the PmWiki engine on it to test it.

I then choose a bare but very flexible layout template, which still needs to be adjusted. This can be done with CSS. I started a first design, but didn't get very far because I was busy with starting my first real job (as a webdesigner, so now I can get paid as well wink ).

The temporary version of the wiki can be seen at http://folcwiki.isgreat.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php The structure is still temporary, because it still needs a bit of work. Changing this in the wiki is easy, but we first need to think about where to put which pages (and which pages still need to be added).

Don't judge by the layout, because as you can see: it's still non-existent. Maybe I can come up a first design later this week or during the weekend. If someone else wants to design something, that's okay. If you don't know CSS, I can implement the design into CSS for the wiki. If several people want to have a go at it, we can vote for the designs here on the boards.

Oh, and the free hosting is at Byethost, which has 250MB of space (should be more than enough), PHP, MySQL,... Transfering to a paid (and possible better) host would be great, this was just for testing out. Up until now, the only problem I've found with the current hosting is that when you give in a wrong url, it goes to a whole other website, instead to an error page. Which is kind of annoying and not looking very professional!

PS: I don't know if my e-mail arrived at the other e-mail addresses. I didn't get an error, but haven't received any replies either. Maybe every one is just busy, which I totally understand since it took me that long to send it out in the first place smile


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#237236 07/08/08 06:21 AM
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Has anything been done with this project lately? I checked out the link An posted, but it still seems to be pretty blank. I've been reading through the Buffy wiki over the past few days and I started thinking how useful that would be for LnC. Anybody interested in resurrecting this project?

~Anna

#237237 07/08/08 06:59 AM
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Has anyone run into this: Lois and Clark - Fan History Wiki before? Someone who's kept up with the details of our fandom might want to update it to include us.


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#237238 07/19/08 12:06 PM
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Well, there was a discussion about one of these once before. link
But since the one you give lists George and Lynn Fic as prominent, I'm not sure it's the one we talked about doing here on this board because I don't think 'George and Lynn Fic' is all that popular here.

A few months ago, I did get an email asking me to participate in a fan wiki, but it wanted to include things about 'fandom fighting' so I chose not to participate.

But here is the email in its entirety. I'll leave the sender out. I also left the links out.

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Hello, I run Fan History, a fandom wiki xxxxx dedicated to writing and preserving the history of fandom. There is an article about the Lois_and_Clark fandom xxxxx that could use
some help from people inside the fandom. smile While it is easy to get things like when communities were started and when canon was released, it is much harder to put that information into context, find out about fandom fighting, who the big name fans are and what people are doing at conventions and on the more remote parts of the Internet. Any help in editing the article would be much appreciated. smile If you don't feel comfortable editing the Lois_and_Clark article xxxxxx, please pass the link along to anyone you think might be able to. smile The more people who contribute to the article, the more accurate and useful it will be.

Sincerely,
ME
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#237239 07/23/08 07:00 PM
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Just as a heads up.

There has been a massive outcry about Fan History in the larger fandom (as linked through Metafandom, among other places).

One of the leaders of the project recently "outed" a fan by making an entry linking her fandom pseud with her real name and posting it in a popular community numerous times without said fan's permission (as well as refusing to remove the name from the wiki). This is pretty serious.

A more minor fact that has been brought to light is that perhaps the cause for all this hoopla is that the leaders of FH reportedly want to make the site something like FanLib, which profits from the fanworks posted on it. So this type of outcry generates page hits so it's part of the "any publicity is good publicity" credo.

I think it was a good choice not to participate.

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#237240 07/24/08 10:34 AM
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Fanlib has just folded. Someone made a mistake and put their business plan on line , which revealed that they were selling it to the media industry as a viral marketing / captive audience for advertising site, with the moderators controlling things to maximize revenue for the advertisers. Except that it looks like they didn't succeed in doing so, and have run out of money or something...


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#237241 07/24/08 11:00 AM
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Ack! Holy crap, and I remembered reading a while back that it was doing so well despite people grumbling...I wish I could read their letter, but it's drowned out by a freakin' ad.

Figures.

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#237242 07/24/08 12:51 PM
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Re. Alcyone's post, I was just coming here to make exactly the same point, having found a link to that whole business on my LiveJournal friends list. If anyone wants to know more, you'll see more than you could ever care to know about here . Seems the creator of this FanHistory wiki believes that it's perfectly okay to reveal online fans' RL identities without asking permission. If your RL identity is revealed, you actually have to ask her to take it down - and, since she believes that this kind of private information should be in the public domain, she may not even agree to it - and she's disabled the edit function on her wiki.

Stay well away.


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#237243 07/24/08 11:58 PM
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The comment from 'debchan' on that link from Wendy says it all, I think. razz

Someone should send her this: wink

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Payout for false Facebook profile

A businessman whose personal details were "laid bare" in fake entries on the Facebook social networking website has won a libel case at the High Court.

Mathew Firsht was awarded £22,000 in damages against an old school friend, Grant Raphael, who created the profile.

The judge ruled that Mr Raphael's defence - that the entry was created by mischievous party gate-crashers at his flat - was "built on lies".

The profiles were on Facebook for 16 days until they were taken down.

The court heard that Mr Raphael created a false personal profile for Mr Firsht, and a company profile called "Has Mathew Firsht lied to you?".

The judge heard that the private information concerned Mr Firsht's whereabouts, activities, birthday and relationship status. It falsely indicated his sexual orientation and political views.

Mr Firsht said it included allegations that he owed substantial sums of money which he had repeatedly avoided paying by lying, and that he and his company were not to be trusted.

He was awarded £15,000 for libel and £2,000 for breach of privacy. His company was awarded £5,000.

Speaking to the BBC after the case, Mr Firsht said the false profile had made him "extremely angry".

It had taken a "lot of energy, a lot of effort and a lot of time, and a lot of expense" to trace who was behind it, he said - and to win the case was "amazing".

"It's important that if anybody does have information which is written about them which is totally untrue... that people realise there is now a chance of finding out who those people are."

The two former friends went to school together in Brighton but fell out about six years ago over a business dispute.

Deputy Judge Richard Parkes QC said that by the time the dispute arose, Mr Firsht was highly successful, but Mr Raphael - whose company had gone into voluntary liquidation - "was not".

The judge said Mr Firsht would have accepted an apology if Mr Raphael had offered one at an early stage, thus avoiding the distress and expense of litigation.

Mr Raphael said that "strangers" who attended an impromptu party at his house in Hampstead in north London sneaked off to a spare bedroom and created the profiles on his PC.

But the judge described his claim as "utterly far-fetched".

Facebook said in a statement: "Facebook does not permit fake profiles on its site. Fake profiles are an abuse of our terms of use and they will be removed.

"When fake profiles are reported we thoroughly investigate and remove profiles found to be in violations of our terms of use - just as we did in the case of Mathew Firscht."

Media lawyer Jo Sanders, of Harbottle & Lewis, said the ruling showed that what people posted online "has consequences".

"The golden rule should be to only put up information or images you are happy for everyone to see and are happy to put your name to."

But computer security consultant and former hacker Robert Schifreen said it was "very easy" to set up false pages about people on such networking sites - and it could be difficult to trace who was responsible.

"The problem with these free websites that don't require payment means there's no easy way of verifying someone's identity... You haven't got their address, you haven't got their credit card details, so anybody can set something up."

It was also easy to say what you write online from places such as internet cafes or restaurants offering free wifi access, which are "relatively untraceable", he said.

Nor is it easy to bring libel actions, he said - and this is a "very rare case".

"It's not easy to get legal aid for libel cases, it's not easy to do it especially when the website is based in a different country to where you're suing somebody, and you really do have to persevere... but it can be done."

He added: "it's very easy to be somebody else on a website if you want to be. The internet does make it easy. But you do need to be aware that if you start libelling somebody - rather than just having a bit of fun - then it can be a major legal problem."
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#237244 07/31/08 07:36 PM
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I think it was a good choice not to participate.
Yep, me, too. I wonder how many other people got this email? And how the heck did they know to contact me? Did they go through every person on the boards, I wonder, and get their email addresses?


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I remembered reading a while back that it was doing so well despite people grumbling..
Really? I looked at the site and seemed to be hopelessly floundering.... But I didn't look at it until StarKat's post.


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