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Aren't we going to start a new post for this week's show? I've watched it! And the real thing this time, not static.

CC, I liked this one! Very much. Of course, I like most of them so...

Jonathan was even okay in this ep. He was helpful without being an idiot about it. And Martha... Whoa! Did she finally find herself or what? I loved her putting Jonathan in his place. Priceless! I don't care what others think, it's a blast watching the birth of our hero! And don't forget the new power!

I've started. What did everyone else think?

SQD

Well. I should take a little while to let this one digest – I just finished watching it like two minutes ago. All right, I’ll just go for an “impulse thoughts” kind of thing.

Clark in glasses – whoa! Funny to see him in stylin’ square frames instead of any kind of geeky disguise-ish things. And are we to understand that he will now be wearing them all the time? Or is this just a set up for the future when he thinks, “Hmmm. I need to disguise myself a bit. I know – glasses. I think I have an old pair lying around somewhere.”

Chloe. Oh, Chloe, Chloe, Chloe. You are about to enter the zone of “too stupid to live.” Why don’t you just strip yourself naked, roll around in some raw steak, then take a swim in the middle of the Florida Everglades during crocodile mating season. Probably a whole lot less painful than screwing with Lionel Luthor. What in the world does that girl think she is doing? Even for those who hold the...um...delusion...that Chloe is in truth Lois, I don’t even think Lois would do something that suicidal.

I do give her points for standing up to the guy.

Let’s see. What else. Oh yeah, that super-hearing thing. Well, isn’t it tragic that the first thing Clark does with his new-found ability, besides saving Product-Placement Pete, is totally screw up Chloe’s life. Not that she hasn’t done a pretty good job of that all on her own. I guess this is an instance where Clark had to learn “the hard way” that when you eavesdrop, you have to be careful what you do with the information.

Did actually like Jonathan in this episode – he didn’t suck. Liked how he helped Clark hone the new superpower. And who else was just groaning when Martha said “You guys think you are some kind of supermen.” Now, bear with me here – until Clark becomes, you know, Superman, no one would associate the word “Superman” with someone heroic. In fact, was “superman” even a word? So how could she come up with that association? I’ll bet CC can answer that <g>.

I’m not going near the Lana stuff. Just not gonna do it.

BUT...it came upon me like a hunk of meteor rock (aka Kryptonite) what my one and most major complaint about Smallville is and why I can see a lot of LnC fans not liking it so much. There is nothin’ but angst for Clark. That poor guy NEVER gets a break. Never gets the girl. Never gets the glory. Nothing. He's blinded, beaten, powers taken, tortured with meteor rock. If a guy went through all of that during his teens, ain't no way he'd turn out to be some benevolent mankind-helping superhero. He'd be a psychotic, paranoid basket case.

I’m thinking that’s why I just want Lois to show up. I want Clark to be happy. Just a little bit.

OK, CC. Bring it on!

Lynn

PS - Thought I'd share this e-mail I received today:
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TO: mccreadie67@hotmail.com
FROM: tw@sexysupermen.net
RE: Sat PM

Hey Lynn - We're on for Sat. Just a few people - your best friends who ALWAYS agree with you about the latest Smallville epi.

Looking forward to it. I'll bring the body oil.

TW
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Which Lois are you talking about? L&C's Lois was doing crazy, suicidal stuff all the time. She wasn't as foolhardy as SV's Lana but she loved to take risks.

If Lois shows up in Smallville (and isn't Chloe) she'll probably be Lex's girlfriend. Smallville's PTB envision Lois to be in her early twenties, maybe still in college - she'd be too old for HS Clark.

Plus there's the precious Clana to think of...

Really? Who said that? Because I would have thought Lois should be younger than Clark. Or about his age.

Julie (who has to wait til tuesday to see the new ep because she hates her channel lineup)

That was said by Smallville's executive producer Al Gough.

In an interview with Wizard magazine, show creators Al Gough and Miles Millar discussed their plans for the duo. "Lois is in college," reveals Gough, "She's just a few years older than Clark, Lana and Chloe. And Perry White is a struggling, young reporter in his 20s. Working for the Daily Planet is a distant dreams for Perry at this stage of his life. But Lois is in college, and I don't think Lois and Clark get along at all."

Ohhhh, was Smallville on last night?

Hm. Sorry I missed it.

No! I'll be back. Lunches to pack, kids to hustle about...must not get started, must not get started.

While I'm away though, I'll leave you with this point to ponder: WHO was the dude with the adams apple? And why so hostile??

Ideas?

CC (who really shouldn't have peeked, since she knew that would bring her morning to a grinding halt...)

CC - That was Clark. You probably didn't recognize him - he was wearing glasses.

It's OK. I understand it's a common mistake, especially among inhabitants of Metropolis. Don't let it bother you.

Lynn

Ok, I'm back and chomping at the bit!

First thing- "The Superman concept, was it even a word, Martha used it on Jonathan and Clark, and something, something, CC will clear this up."

Please note, I'm not quoting Lynn directly, but I am thrilled because here, and finally, I will put that minor in philosophy to work for me!

(I know. A minor in philosophy,how badly did I want a career in fastfood? I make a fine onion ring, though, and I can think really, really deep thoughts while so doing...)

A-hem. Superman is a big, fat much disputed concept among philosophers. Kant, Nietzsche, um...some really ancient dude who starts with a Z. (anyone...? No? Me neither.) The primary question being if men really did evolve from apes, would they one day evolve from men to...wait for it...Supermen. And if so, how would they, and blah, blah, etc...

In fact, in the very first epi of Smallville, (and I only know this because I got season 1 on DVD for Christmas...I'll digress, which won't surprise anyone. Hubby gave to me. Don't think he realized that along with that gift, the house and all kids and all else would fall to him for the next week and 1/2. Ok,back to subject at hand) stumbling Clark weakened by Lana's krypto-necklace drops his books. Lana sees it's a philosophy book and asks "So which are you, Clark, man or superman?"
And he says, (this is so cool, because here's the entire premise of the show right here) "I haven't decided yet."

(I do know, really, that I love this show more than I should.)

Ok...Lynn, the Lois not being that suicidal comment. Please. Which one of us is delusional? Which Lois have you been watching, by the way? And then try to imagine her as a teenager...is it working? You see it now, right? Tell me you see it.

Love Chloe taking on Lionel. Stupid, stupid, stupid, but I love fiesty, driven, take no prisoners Chloe. Such a nice contrast to Lana, so soft, so whispery, so...pink sweater-ed. And so forever breaking our boy's heart! (more on this at conclusion of ramble...)

Oh, the SuperHearing. I'm with SQD, anything that gets us closer to Superman. Love this. Like the idea that his sight went and to compensate the hearing went up a notch. And the glasses! Just a general oh woo-hoo! to the glasses. Clark comes out with those frames on...

Jonathan and Martha helping him master the hearing. Good, good. And that the first thing he really zeroes in on is Chloe's voice...(interesting, yes? I'm just saying...) and that he gets her in such trouble because of it. Just like training wheels, he has to learn how to use it, and then how not to use it...

Didn't get enough Lex.

And very minor thing, really didn't think Pete look nearly relieved enough when Clark pulled him out of that trunk! I mean, man, that was close, right? Wouldn't know it by Pete's face, though.

I should stop now, shouldn't I?

Last thing, I swear. All the angst. All the poor Clark. It's so true. That sweet man cannot catch a break, but here's my take on it. It's that much sweeter knowing that Lois is coming. That he will find his place and his purpose. But all this stuff had to happen to make him search, right? To drive him towards the cape and tights.

Who better to become Superman than one who has evolved (get it) from the pathos of being...man.

Too heavy? Hey, if I'm using my degree in philosophy (at last), I'm going to get my money's worth!

CC

Oh, by the by, Lynn. Saw your email. We all got that, don't make too much of it. I gather it's from something called a 'vanity press.'
However, I much appreciate you clearing up the adams apple guy mystery!

I'm right here!!!!

oh...

-Breanna (who always laughs at this because she joined the boards as "Smallville Girl" before the show "Smallville" even started!!!)

Hmmmm.

Note to self: When kids go off to college, encourage them to take philosophy courses instead of Scuba diving and ballroom dancing. Dang!

CC, you got your money's worth. I always thought Lois came up with "Superman." Double Dang!

I, myself, spent several thousands of hard earned dollars on an Advertising degree. So I think I'm going to have to put on my Advertising hat to make this sale.

NOW! New and Improved! //imagine flashy red lights around these words//

Nope, too hard without the visual. OK, well maybe I should ask for a refund.

Anyway, about that Chloe. There is a big, monumental difference between a full-grown woman with a secure job at the Daily Planet taking on Lionel Luthor and a relatively powerless high-school girl confronting him. In his own office, no less.

The Lois I know takes a bunch of risks and acts pretty foolhardy, but usually it's because she's convinced that there's really no danger in it as far as she's concerned. She's a reporter, therefore detached, therefore immune.

However, our little Chloe knows better. She has at least some, small tiny idea of what Lionel Luthor is capable of. Not that I would want her to run for the hills, but for crying out loud, at least act like you might be cooperating with the man. Then go behind his back and totally blow him up with the story. That's the Lois way.

As for Lois being in college right now - I don't have a problem with a Lois that's a couple of years older than Clark. In fact, that would add to the believability of her looking at him as a "hack from nowheresville" even more so - not only is he from nowheresville, he's just a kid.

I'm still not going to hold my breath waiting for Gough and Millar to bring Lois on board. I don't think they plan to take Clark that far, and it would really be pushing our tolerance to have him meet Lois is some backdoor way. From what I understand, this is currently planned for five years, but TW doesn't want to go so far as to donning the suit or taking flight, so I see him jumping ship long before Lois would have come on the scene. Then again, this is another world that they've created, and Lois could turn out to be the girl working behind the counter at the local Mighty Taco. <Not that there's anything wrong with that.>

Yes, CC, having Clark suffer the pain now only makes the joy of his eventual happiness all the sweeter. In fact, knowing that eventually he finds Lois and falls madly in love with her is the only thing that keeps me from crying every time I see Tom's big, sad, puppy-dog eyes when he looks longingly after Lana The Pink. But sometimes we need a little bit of sunshine between all of those rain clouds. It's even sunny in Seattle sometimes.

And one last thing. I'll have you know that that e-mail from one "TW" is the bonafide real thing. Just wait and see. You'll be sorry for doubting me...<do I sound like Lex?>

[I do know, really, that I love Tom Welling more than I should. Sadly, though, he doesn't love me nearly enough.]

Oh yes, Lex. Truly, I'm not sure what to think about Lex after last night. But I have a scary feeling that pretty soon, I'm going to start not liking him, and that is so sad. I like liking Lex.

Lynn

Okay, I couldn't t even finish reading the rest of her post because I just had to stop and agree. Yep, I really think she does love it more that ANYONE should. :rolleyes:

Still it at least give us better entertainment than the series itself does.

Ahem. I shall go crawl back into my hole now.

Beverly

And how about him hearing Lana the Pink crying as she drove away?

Just one more thing for the angst mill, but I really loved that. And his breathless "oh" when she tells him she's met someone...Just could hear his heart go ker-plud.

I agree with you here, Lynn. Read those words. Look them over. They look funny, kinda? But I do. Our boy needs a bit of something good...Perhaps he and...dare I name her...can start "exploring" their friendship? That can only be good, right? I mean, right up until Lionel has her killed.

((On Lois being older, in college, "out there," rather than under his nose as Chloe...yeah, yeah, yeah. You see, the producers don't want you to know who Chloe is, see, because if we know, then where's the tension in that love triangle? So, they just sent up that red herring...am I right? I'm right, right?? (Don't wake me, I like it here.)))

I still think that was very Lois of Chloe, going after Lionel that way. I just don't see our Lois as cautious in any way, especially when backed into a corner.

I can't wait to see how this will play, though.

But here's the most important thing, that email, Lynn? You're sure now? I need you to double check it, because if it's legit, I can backtrack with the best of them.

And remember this, scuba diving and ballroom dancing are things you can use practically every day! Me, I sit around waiting, no, aching, for someone to ask me to explain transformative visions in writings by people long dead...dang it, it doesn't come up as often as you'd think it would.

CC

edit- While I was waxing away on all things Smallville, Beverly snuck in and had this to say
If it wasn't so true I might take offense! But it's true, it's horribly, terribly true...ok, I'm off to find my life now. I know I put it down somewhere...

And I do! Every day.

Excuse me, but I have to go pick up my ballgown at the dry cleaners.

Lynn

I was just thinking you'd be the most popular girl on the entire cruise ship.

And me? Off in the corner thinking deeply...

CC (who needs to go back to college, do it all over again)

I didn't like the glasses they chose in the beginning...but they grew on me :p

<eg> something tells me we'll be hearing about Lois very soon. <eg>

-Breanna Kay

Breanna, you must tell us what you know!!
Subtle hinting won't do...

Please?

CC

Yeah, you can't come in our sandbox and throw around hints that you might know something and then not share every juicy detail! We'll put our lollypops in your hair if you don't fess up.

See CC - I think when we join forces, we're even better than the Wonder Twins.

Lynn
also known as Julie McCoy, your Cruise Director

LOL

Ok, CC.... But only read it if you don't mind spoilers


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Ok...Spoiler for part of next week's, yes you heard me (um...read) next week's episode:
http://www.kryptonsite.com/smallvillespoilers.htm

And:
I got this one from http://www.shockers.addr.com/note.html , though I knew about it previously from reading it in an interview in a magazine two years ago...I just needed somewhere to quote

OK, so she's not in Smallville, yet. But we hear about her, and her connection to Chloe.

Lynn...can I have a lollipop now?

-Breanna

For that, Breanna, you can have all of the lollipops!

So, Chloe will call herself Lois, (clinging to that bit of fantasy steadfastly) but Lois is her cousin....hmmm.

Ok, but maybe her cousin disappears through a time window, falls into a parallel universe, it could happen! And then Chloe just...keeps the name?

Can't wait. And Breanna, YOU are our new cruise director.

Sorry, Lynn, take the ballgown off. It was getting wrinkled anyway.

CC (ok, so maybe, just maybe, and probably not, but still, maybe Chloe isn't Lois. But if she's her cousin, I was pretty darn close, right? Am I right...? Anyone?)

OK, Breanna, pick your flavor. You've definitely earned a lollypop. And if you keep giving us these little tidbits, I may even break out the tootsie pops.

CC - I am hurt to the core that you've given my job away. Yesterday I went and got new air for my scuba tank..and..<choke>..even bought...a new <sob>..bikini...Guess Tom will just have to cheer me up tomorrow night. <sniff>.

I digress. About that Chloe = Lois thing. First, Chloe's gonna get herself in a heap of trouble impersonating her cousin. Cause if Smallville!Lois is anything like LnC!Lois, she's gonna be mighty put out that her cousin was using her name.

Here's what I predict - write this down and seal it in an envelope and then in a few years, after the Smallville Series Finale: Clark Kent - The Geriatric Years we'll see how right I was.

I predict that Chloe will use Lois's name and do some really whacky stuff that will get the real Lois in a heap 'o mis-identification trouble. And then darling Clark will need to protect the fair Ms. Lane who will not appreciate his interference in the slightest, setting up the classic Liberated-Damsel-In-Distress-Falls-For-Hero-Despite-Her-Initial-Dislike-Of-Said-Hero Scenario.

Chloe will be killed by Lionel, throwing Clark into a tailspin of guilt. And this one I would bet money on.

Just remember - you heard it here first.

Lynn

Chloe=Lois' cousin

I've given this some thought, and here it what I've decided. This really sucks for her. I mean, she loves him. Has to watch him moon over LanaThePink. And someday/one day he'll meet and marry her cousin?

Does not add up. New theory, test run: There is no cousin, see. She's making the cousin up. She's just using the pen name she's always planned on using...She is Lois! Can't believe I doubted for that whole half-hour.

CC

Didn't Julie McCoy have a sister? Or, wait, was it a cousin?? And she held the clipboard for a few seasons? Extra credit goes to anyone who can name her. How about that, Lynn? We let Breanna be Julie and you be...whatshername. Still a really, really important job!

Just watched my tape tonight so thought I'd chime in before bed ...

Things I liked:

** Clark's glasses (not the stupid looking Raybans; the real ones). Thought he looked great. Was bummed when he took them off at the end. He looks better with them; very Clark-like.

** Backbone!Martha (did I use that punctuation right? The things I'm learning on these new fangled message boards!) -- awesome! Not just once, but twice did she put Bo Kent in his place. Love her! She needs to do it more often.

** Jonathan helping Clark focus his super-hearing. I still think our Jonathan would have done it much better with our Clark, but as much as I dislike Bo Kent, I have to give him grudging praise for not being completely obnoxious and abrasive in this episode.

** Clark telling off Chloe in the barn -- I actually really liked TW for a few moments. <g> Great emotion; he almost sounded like he was going to cry. That was awesome. Good acting.

** Lex at the end, showing us that he might be down but he's not out ... too little of him in the episode, but gosh, do I catch my breath when he looks so earnest and intense. As I said out loud during the episode, they should have made him Superman. He. Is. Breathtaking. Can I hug him? Pretty please?

** Oh, thought of one more thing that I liked -- the way they had Clark go blind. I was very impressed! He was semi-vulnerable, but tried to be heroic anyway (good boy, Clark!) but by bad luck, his pulses of heat bounced off the K and blasted him. I'll buy that! So much better than "ultraviolet rays blind him, so use infra-red as the antidote." (Of course, they ruined it by the blowtorch fixing things, but that's still a grade better than L&C. As my husband laughingly said when Clark could see again, "Well, there's your infra-red cure". <g>)

Things I didn't like:

* And just *where* did the FOW come from?? At least this one got crunched in the end, not that it helped us figure out how he got that way and what the heck his motivation was. I guess the Objective section of his resume says "Being a bad guy" and that's all we needed to know.

* Chloe being so stupid as to tell Lionel that she's working on a story exposing him. Yes, I can't deny that Lois-as-a-stupid-teenager might have made this kind of mistake, but if so, it was the same type of educational experience that Clark had when he unintentionally screwed Chloe over with his super-hearing in this episode -- it's a doozy of a mistake but hopefully the life-ruining fallout will mean it will never happen again. If she really is Lois, let's hope this will be the last time she ever does something so dumb and learns to hold her cards a lot closer to her chest. (And don't get me started on Chloe's reaction to Clark telling her off in the barn -- I expected her to grovel, not to get defensive and say that he should understand! You didn't borrow his math notes and forget to return them, girlfriend; you tried to ruin his life!!!)

* The entire Pete-is-Kidnapped subplot. My God, where do I start? Did they hire an 8th grader to plot that part out? Let's see, a man is charged with armed robbery and someone kidnaps the judge's son with the ransom being dropping the charges. And the police just sit there and let the judge decide what to do?? Are these writers on crack? Those police would be all over that armed robbery suspect! Who are you working with, who called us, what the hell do you think you're doing, give up your friend and we'll cut you a deal, do you really want murder and kidnapping and extortion charages added to your armed robbery charge?? Are Lane and Kent the only people who look into a suspect's background to see who he has worked with in the past, who he hangs out with? Have these people never seen a single episode of NYPD Blue or Law and Order???

OK, I'm done ... bring it on; I can take it. And hmm, interesting spoiler for next week, about Chloe and her ... other identity. I like it!

Kathy (who was hoping that Clark would tell Lana, upon hearing she had met someone else, "Hey, good for you! I hope it works out!" Of course, based on the preview they showed, it looks like this guy is going to be yet another FOW who makes Lana look weak and stupid for falling under his spell so easily -- how many times have they recycled this plot? Are they really out of new ideas so soon? In only 2 1/2 seasons?)

I vote that this week we give Kathy B the big shiny Best Smallville Episode Analysis button and dub her Queen of Smallville (sorry, Lana has the title of Princess) because her comments were so very, very good.

I agree with all of them (thus adding to their goodness) and they are so well articulated that she managed to express exactly what I wasn't quite so good at doing.

Very valid points about the inaneness of having a FOW that just sprung out of nowhere with absolutely no history, no reason for being, no nothing that we give two hoots about except that he caused Clark angst. Then again, who hasn't cause Clark angst.

Also a good observation about Lana. I almost feel as sorry for her (and that's a big, fat juicy "almost") as I do for Clark because that girl can't catch a break. She's a bum magnet of the first degree.

And yeah, Kathy, exactly what I was saying about Chloe. Our Lois would never have just spilled all of her guts like that. I'm telling you, that girl's Dead Chloe Walking.

Kathy, you can pick up the tiara at my place. I had it polished for you <g>.

Lynn

Thank you KathyB for two things.

1) The dude with the adams apple! Now,you don't have to introduce me to his mother, let me see his medical records, but I need a little something. A name, maybe? A line or two about how he does that thing with the rapid swallowing and the high pitch.
I can guess that he's basically misunderstood and maybe that's why he's so hostile, but toss me something!

Btw, isn't this Chloe's job. Don't we count on her to look it up and give us just what we need to understand who our current villian is? If Lionel kills her, we'll all be in the dark, because Lana sure enough isn't going to do it.

And the other thing, KathyB, your post was Long, LOONNGGG, and that made me feel so much better about mine! I mean, if I have company in my minute analysis of this show, then I'm not crazy, right? Right...?

(Don't answer that Beverly.)

To sum up: Lynn has your shiny crown, but I have the little sash thingy with Queen Smallville lovingly sewn on with hundreds of pink sequins. Take that victory walk proudly.

CC

Oh, it's not the long analysis of the episodes that point to someone being crazy. After all, without those in-depth explanations, the rest of us would actually have to WATCH. I mean between these threads and the weekly reviews on Zoomway's boards, I never even have to go near the series in person, so I'm quite happy about that aspect.

It's anyone actually enjoying watching it that's highly questionable . . .

Well, I figure if KathyB can laugh when I told her not to . . .

Beverly
"B. B. Medos"
http://www.booksanctuary.com

Who recently realized that some of you don't know me by my longtime online nick, so I quess I thought I should start adding it to my sig again.

I was on "another" website, and I read this column about this episode that totally cracked me up. I just had to share this one passage because the reviewer nailed this so well:

On a side note- I don't know whether Clark's shades were in the screenplay or not, but whoever was responsible for letting them make it to the screen should be shot. Tom Welling has progressed beautifully as an actor since first season, but he needs his eyes to put in a good performance. With his best asset hidden, his performance is like staring at a block of very pretty wood for an hour, and between us? I don't stand in front of a Michelangelo that long. I'm just saying.

Now, I would never call my Tom a "pretty block of wood", but I, too, hated him wearing the raybans. What was the point? I always thought that blind people wore sunglasses to either protect their eyes from painful light or to hide a disfiguration within their eye(s) that might be off-putting to anyone looking at them. Clark had neither, so why not just walk around looking in a general non-direction?

I will be so intersted to see if his cute little square-frame glasses ever make an appearance again. I'm betting not unless Smallville becomes Metropolis.

Lynn

PS - that quote was written by Hope in a column on kryprtonsite.com. It's quite amusing - she wasn't nearly as appreciative of Whisper as we were <g>. But she does make some very good points. CC - you would especially appreciate her comments on the FOW whom she has dubbed "Yodel Boy".

I love Hope's columns -- she somehow manages to make Smallville make sense when it doesn't (which can be often).

Speaking of Smallville reviews -- for those of you who don't like Smallville except to make fun or if you like and still like to make fun of it (like me) there's a great site called Television Without Pity that does humorous episode reviews. Including Smallville .