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This probably belongs in the 'orphaned fics' thread, but I felt it was too big. For one thing, I realize now that there's no way any one person could attempt it....I think.

See, a while back, I had this ambitious idea to do a complete rewrite of LaCtNAoS, changing one thing in the premise and then writing each episode as it would have unfolded under these new circumstances.

I couldn't even get through the pilot.

This definitely requires team effort, and I don't just mean a Beta or two.

Here's what I was attempting:

Imagine that Lois and Clark had met as teenagers. (Easy enough, right?)
By the time the pilot begins, Lois and Clark have been married for ten years and have a ten-year-old son.

Naturally, this changes everything. First of all, Lois would not have "just met" the "hack from Nowheresville", so the whole dynamic of the show changes. Since having a kid would likely affect their education and employment histories, they'd likely also be in a different standing at the Planet.

Also, Lois would likely not have had that fling with Claude, Clark would have another reason for resisting Cat...

Even more importantly, consider the suddenly different tone of Chip Off the Old Clark. Having a checkered past before you get engaged is one thing. Consider instead that this man married young, has been chained to a wife and child for ten years, suddenly gets a double identity and the freedom to go where he pleases...and that's about when this woman claims Superman knocked her up.

Or, Sex, Lies, and Videotape. Would Lois and Superman be worse than toejam for having an affair when there's a *child* in the marriage? Or would the crowds have mercy on a girl who married too young and obviously regrets it?

New Krypton, the Wedding Argh, Soulmates...all changed. Nightfall, TOGOM....

*sigh*

And I can't do it.

Thoughts? huh

ETA: Okay, people, for the sake of organization, here are some links (and anybody who wants to start a new poll or thread, btw, be my guest. laugh ).

Also, does anybody want to be in charge of stuff like compiling the show's official bible, or keeping track of and analyazing the polls?

Poll - Basic Stuff

Poll - Back Story

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I tried something like that as a group effort here ... but it doesn't seem to have gone anywhere.

I also tried a series rewrite (of sorts) with Steel Shadows. But that was a lot shorter than I expected and not quite what you're talking about.


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See, a while back, I had this ambitious idea to do a complete rewrite of LaCtNAoS, changing one thing }...when{ the pilot begins, Lois and Clark have been married for ten years and have a ten-year-old son.
That's as far as I got before my mind went jawdrop jawdrop

That's not one change! That's...that's...I don't know what that is but it is not one change!!!

Love the idea, though.

It would almost have to be a team effort. Like Season 5 and 6.

I'd read it and pitch hit ideas when needed.

We could also fix some of the really bad episodes at the same time like The Ides of Metropolis...

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what about a more simple change (although it would still have major implications on the story line), such as Lois knowing she loved Clark from the moment she set eyes on him, while he has to learn and admit it to himself? Basically, a role reversal when it comes to their early relationship status.

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I would love to read togom written during their marriage and with a child that would make things even more interesting! I'll help.

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You really are one big TOGOM fan, Mona! laugh


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Lol, Coolgirl! I am but I'm also not. I think the episode itself has to be one of the top most far fetched concepts by ABC. I do enjoy reading (and writing laugh )much better fan fic interpretations of it. It just as we all know and love has so many possibilities! :p

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I think the episode itself has to be one of the top most far fetched concepts by ABC.
That and the rest!

What about New Krypton, Virtual Reality, Noah's new world, Mxy-something, Time Travel, Aging machine, body transfer, becoming small, alt-universe... etc. etc. etc... all far-fetched!

Coming back from the dead is but natural in the LnC world! laugh


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what about a more simple change (although it would still have major implications on the story line), such as Lois knowing she loved Clark from the moment she set eyes on him, while he has to learn and admit it to himself? Basically, a role reversal when it comes to their early relationship status.

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I don't want to say that the other doesn't have possibilities, but as a whole series rewrite... whew!

This sounds interesting as a rewrite for the first two seasons. Not sure it would work as well for the other two...
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Even more importantly, consider the suddenly different tone of Chip Off the Old Clark. Having a checkered past before you get engaged is one thing. Consider instead that this man married young, has been chained to a wife and child for ten years, suddenly gets a double identity and the freedom to go where he pleases...and that's about when this woman claims Superman knocked her up.
That's harmless fun.

But Clark traveled the world between college and the Planet. And he moved on when he has helped too much. On the other hand, we know what happened with Lana in the Alt-U. Lois isn't the one to make him deny his powers. So how does this work? In all the other Alt-Beginnings that have him raising a child and no Lois, he isn't Superman. But in the Pilot, Lois comes up with the change of clothes. So, will he already be Superman? Or will he have to deny his powers for the sake of family? Will even he *tell* her? Now, that could backfire, him not telling her for ten years. shock Of course, there is the floating-in-your-sleep bit. And Season 1: what about the whole Luthor-Setup. Is he still going after Lois with all the fallout for the Planet? *)

To be frank, I can't really see the story fast forwarding over their early stages of their career. But I'm more then willing to read the proof that this could work after all smile

Either they both work at some minor news paper, perhaps even different ones, due to their family and Lois doesn't get into investigative predicaments. Then how do they get the stories and the Planet once S1 starts.

Or they would both have to be at the Planet from the get go with Clark being her partner once the Kerth-stories start to come in. He certainly couldn't sit on the sidelines while his wife has to get out from under the JoD by her self. Which brings us back to the Becoming-Superman-Issue.

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*) But what if Lois really were to be galactically stupid and not blinded by love? She doesn't know. And she doesn't recognize him for two years. But he still comes up with lame excuses. And since her body would still know her husband, she would be drawn to Superman, perhaps being torn apart by guilt and lust and anger at Clark for lame excuses. Which would allow for his lame excuses to go somewhat unchallenged. Well, as much as they did in on the Show. It would also explain why Luthor thinks he can push his way in.


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New Krypton, the Wedding Argh, Soulmates...all changed. Nightfall, TOGOM....
And Pheromone? They would never get to the bottom of this. At least not during the first 48 hours when Clark was doing all the research.

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I don't see it working if you have them marry young. Not only would none of the things you mention happened but LEX LUTHOR would never happen. Lois wouldn't never go after him the way she did in the Pilot episode. She would never date him. There would be no need for Clark to be jealous of him etc.

I agree that to do this you would have to pick a smaller change. Like Lois realizing she liked Clark say when they go to Smallville. That way she is already involved with Luthor. She has treated Clark badly, Cat has tried to put on the moves and can continue to do so, etc.

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this man married young, has been chained to a wife and child for ten years,
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and that this woman, married young has been chained to a husband and a child for ten years laugh

The story could be called 'The Young and the Restless' maybe -but put kid up for adoption, otherwise story gets boring. (see Tank's rants and a few others, as well) laugh

{kid could be adopted by Lex Luthor and Ariana Carlin, maybe? or Tim and Amber Lake, named Luke, thus giving Clark the chance to 20 years on use that very famous line... plus provide the rationale for him to don the black spandex plus black cape)]

Unless of course the kid can sing and dance and is a bit of a smartass. (a la Stewie) That last detail would make it a cross-over, though, which may or may not be a good thing. (see opinions in Eva's crossover poll)

Come to think of it, isn't Stewie's mom named Lois? ?

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In effect you wouldn't be rewriting the series episodes, but merely writing new fics loosely based on some of the incidents in those episodes.

Many of the 'interaction' points in the early episodes was dependant on Lois' perception of who Clark was and how her opinion of him changes. It is also dependant on her not knowing about the Superman part of him. This would have already been settled in the early days of their marriage. There is no way that Clark would keep this secret from Lois if they were married, especially if they had a kid.

Seasons 3 and 4 might be easier since you have them as a couple and the 'conditions' of the plotlines would be more easily alined with who they are now.

Having said that, if anyone wants to try their hand at rewriting any of the episodes given this or a slightly modified version (like no kid!)of this pre-history, I'm sure that there would be many gentle readers willing to give those fics a try.

The scope of redoing the whole 4 years of episodes is pretty daunting, but by leaving this particular universe open to all comers, who knows, maybe after a few years all the episodes will be covered... or not.

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How about this.

Lois and Clark have been married for ten years. No kid as they are genetically incompatible.

She knows he has powers, and has been assisting him to secretly help others, but not in the Flashy Red and Blue. Maybe an all black outfit...

They want a normal life and so are trying really hard to stay out of the lime light.

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Clark human interest stories for the Chicago Herald and Lois works for the Chicago Tribune. Friendly rivalry and all that, but Lois' dream job is to work for the Daily Planet.

Finally, she is offered the job, but there is no opening for Clark.

That is when the Messenger crisis happens, LnC decide that it is time for a change. There is no way that Clark can 'secretly' save the day and they create Superman. Clark gets the exclusive and gets the job at the Daily planet.

Haven't worked out the details of Lex and the like, but the kid could be solved when the NKers show up.

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Or what if Lois simply just knows his secret? I thought of something else last night-perhaps something "new" on our favorite and infamous togom topic-what if all of Metropolis knows it was Clark who was shot, just like the storyline on tv.

However, instead of Clark being ressurected or superman admitting to being in the casino in disguise,it somehow came out that the Man of Steel had (I have no idea how) protected his close friend and that was what prevented Clark from dying. Wouldn't all of Metropolis seek this magical protection?

I am just typing as I think here and lol if the above sounds as ridiculous grumble :p as those clones or time travel etc feel free to tell me. I am just trying to futher my reputation as a togom rewrite enthusiast. laugh

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I don't see it working if you have them marry young. Not only would none of the things you mention happened but LEX LUTHOR would never happen. Lois wouldn't never go after him the way she did in the Pilot episode.
No she wouldn't. But if you think about it, in S1, *he* was pursuing *her*. At first, she just wanted an interview. I figure Lex would have no qualms about being a would-be home-wrecker, and possibly the same goes for Cat. Or even Claude, if the stepped-on butterfly means he's still at the Planet.

As for Superman: when I first startd cooking this idea, (and bear in mind I got stuck in the first 'episode' razz ), I saw them as having kept Clark low-key, until the new job* prompted Lois' remark about a change of clothes.

*I was thinking that, having taken longer to get through school, Lois would be new to the Planet. This is why I got stuck; I couldn't get her hired *and* into the action in an order that made sense.

Miranda could be a problem. But then, problems can be solved. laugh Doesn't Clark wonder *why* Lois sent their ten-year-old to the movie theater with a hundred dollars and no adult? wink Or, something else. You decide.

I see the kid as central to this version, mostly because it is a concept I'm a sucker for. goofy Also, the shotgun wedding could be a plot-point, as in SLaV and CotOC, like I mentioned. But of course, if you are inspired to do something similar with a different concept, then of course, by all means, do what you will. cool

The point is that Lois and Clark's dynamic is different, but all external circumstances are the same.

Example:

1. Pilot - Luthor and Baines are still sabotaging the messenger. Lois and/or Clark may be new to the planet, but they know each other.

2. Smart Kids - "Honey, meet your new sister."

3. PML - Luthor falls in 'love' with Lois Lane Kent. The Earth trembles.

4. ToGoM - Clark has been shot in a room full of people. Lois must play the grieving widow, and explain to their 11-year-old why Daddy can't come home.

We could take it one season at a time, I suppose--hash out the details of each episode, and so on.
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Just wanted to add an inkling... Given Lois' issues with men, what if Lois found out about Clark's powers after they'd been together for a while and then they couldn't work out their differences, causing a split. They could still share parenting duties up to the point of the pilot, but they don't get back together.

Swapping time taking care of their son, Clark could still travel the world a bit, doing freelance, while Lois gets on at the Planet along the same timeline as in the show. Tougher as a single parent, but if anyone can do it, it's Lois.

This way, Lois is still pretty much a free agent when she catches Lex's eye. It could also explain her animosity towards Clark when he first shows up at the Planet and a different reason for her not to want him as her partner.

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The thing is, if the story where to proceed along the lines of them getting married before they turn twenty and having a kid, then Lois would not have that many issues. There would be no Paul, no Claude. Just her father's lifestyle. But she would have Clark as a counter point. And with him not being Superman, he wouldn't run off that often, if at all. And he would just hide a part of himself, not pretend to be someone else. After all, if he can't tell his wife, the mother of their child, he would have to deny it all even to himself. Nope, no divorce just because of that. Lot's of issues and guilt on both sides. But no divorce.

And Luthor the home wrecker. No, I don't think so. That would make for really bad press if it where to come out. And that wouldn't do if he wants to be man of the year.

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The thing is, if the story where to proceed along the lines of them getting married before they turn twenty and having a kid, then Lois would not have that many issues. There would be no Paul, no Claude. Just her father's lifestyle. But she would have Clark as a counter point.
All true. However, we all know what a lunkhead that Clark can be. What if he left Lois of his own accord, thinking that she and their baby would be better off without a freak like him around? Lois would just add Clark to her list of 'federal disasters'.

I'm not saying that it makes much rational sense, but there is Contact as a precedent.

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What if he left Lois of his own accord, thinking that she and their baby would be better off without a freak like him around?
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This would be more likely in an ALT world where Clark has lost his parents at a young age rather than one who raised by M/J through adulthood. IMO anyway smile . The Clark we know, lunkhead or not, seems to value family above just about everything - a fic posted not too long ago on the archive - Coming of Age? - was about that kind of thing - a young Lois and Clark [who aren't dating or anything] have a child together. Anyway - I think it would be more likely in another universe where CK is orphaned at a young age with no one to help him with his 'freakiness', maybe even no Lana unless it's later.

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And Luthor the home wrecker. No, I don't think so. That would make for really bad press if it where to come out. And that wouldn't do if he wants to be man of the year.
Home wrecker? No. Around to pick up the pieces when things just fall apart 'on their own'? Sure. And he'd never orchestrate things to separate what he wanted [Lois] from her family and friends, even husband if necessary. I know I did it and I'm sure others have too.

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Have to agree with Darth Michael about Lex, up to a point. Before PML, Lois would be hands off to Lex. After PML then it wouldn't be a problem. But a new one would arise. There would be more death threats against Clark Kent because Lex would be trying to get rid of the competition.

I also don't see this as an ALT world, either. Martha and Jonathan contributed more than even Perry and Jimmy did in the shows. I think it could fly with them still in it.

However, I think I can see where Queen of Capes is coming from.

How about we make this a community project.

QoC would be the Producer. She would have final say on all the rewrites. I like the idea of mapping out each season. Maybe we should just do the first season and see what that gets us. That way we could organize and get a better idea of what works and what doesn't.

I think we should ask for volunteers for each episode. We would need two. The primary writer and a backup if RL starts getting too hard.

Each story should have a dedicated Beta Reader.

We would also need a continuity person. QoC is the visionary, but we need someone that makes sure that the we don't have any goof ups. We can't have little Jonathan having he best friend Pearl have blonde hair in one show and be a red head two stories later.

I would be happy to volunteer for this job. I am geeky and picky enough for the job. If, QoC will let me.. hyper !!!!


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Home wrecker? No. Around to pick up the pieces when things just fall apart 'on their own'? Sure.
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After PML then it wouldn't be a problem. But a new one would arise. There would be more death threats against Clark Kent because Lex would be trying to get rid of the competition.
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IF????! What you mean *IF*, James? goofy

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QoC would be the Producer. She would have final say on all the rewrites. I like the idea of mapping out each season. Maybe we should just do the first season and see what that gets us. That way we could organize and get a better idea of what works and what doesn't.
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And Luthor the home wrecker. No, I don't think so. That would make for really bad press if it where to come out. And that wouldn't do if he wants to be man of the year.
Home wrecker? No. Around to pick up the pieces when things just fall apart 'on their own'? Sure. And he'd never orchestrate things to separate what he wanted [Lois] from her family and friends, even husband if necessary. I know I did it and I'm sure others have too.[/b]
Yep, that he would. And we all (ok, those who read it wink ) know how that worked out. With them only knowing each other a couple of months and even all the rest of Valley happening. Hm, there is a thought though. Luther working all season long bit by bit. If there were a scenario that could be used by Luthor against a (happily?) married couple of ten years with a kid. (Points to the idea of Lois not knowing about Clark being Superman)

But would it work, Luthor tearing into them for at least half a seasons worth of stories? Valley was brutal, but this, you would have whole episodes with them apart, if he were to get anywhere close to achieving his goal. In the end, some people might scream for Clark to push Luthor of the balcony himself. Or to creatively apply his more invasive super powers to Luthor's extremities.

I don't know, I just associated homewrecker + story line with a blatant approach by Luthor like it was an the show. And that would be bad publicity. *Shrugs, not knowing why he ever thought so simplistically*

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Poll is up! Everybody go vote now! Go! Stop reading this and vote!!

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That should cover the basics. smile

Then once we've argued over the broad strokes, we can maybe set up a thread for NeoS1 (Hm, We should find a name for it...) and start discussing episodes. *Then* we can talk about who's writing what. cool

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I voted and will definitely help-although in a few weeks I'll be starting classes so won't have as much time. I am excited about us folcs having a chance to really write the series as well it should/could have been written! smile

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Just an FYI, but did you realize it has been a little over 10 years since the Folc community decided that they just couldn't take it anymore and decided to write two additional seasons on their own...

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Wow. I did not know that. eek

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There are some aspects of this project that I love. Rewriting the show as oldieweds sounds intriguing.

For the rest, I hate to be a naysayer but I'm not interested in a story where Lois gets knocked up so they get married. I'm equally disinterested if they decide to become separated or divorced. Divorce fics are not entertaining to me--divorces are too painful to be entertaining.

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I'd have to veto separated or divorced as well.

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Who said anything about divorce?? dizzy

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I like the idea of Clark telling him "Luke, I am your father!" but the thought of someone naming a kid Luke Lake makes my teeth itch. He'd never make it through high school with all the teasing he'd have to endure.

Other than that, this idea sounds very interesting, but I'm going to have to be an eager reader and not a participant. If it happens, it's going to take a long time to outline everything and blue-sky all the changes and permutations along the way. I don't envy anyone that opportunity to suffer for art's sake.


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good point about the name, Luke Lake, Terry. laugh

So there goes the only reason to include the kid in the series. laugh
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Okay, there's been some grumblings of "No kid," and I just found myself in a discussion with somebody who feels we don't need him, so...

Here's why I want a kid in the story:

If Lois and Clark meet at the normal time, or even close too, not much has changed. If they fall in love sooner, all we get is LnC with all the hard parts taken out.

The same is true if they're married 10 years with no kid. We may get a few raised eyebrows and snarky comments, but that's the extent of it. A joint income with no kid only means that, again, all the hard parts are taken out.

Now imagine that these people married young, and either shortly before or shortly afterwards were saddled with a squirming, bouncing bundle of bills. Medical bills, clothes, formula, toys, furniture....You know the drill. High-schoolers could likely not afford *half* of this stuff on their own (I don't see Ellen and Sam as cooperating much). Plus, just having to sit with the baby would take time away from other things, like homework and SATs.

I see Lois and Clark as having had delayed graduations, and subsequently less career success. (I'm told some employers don't like interviewees with small children, because they may need to leave work at a moment's notice to take care of the kid.) Thus, when Lois and Clark arrive at season one, episode one, they are in a significantly different standing in their careers. They may be new to the Planet, or even not hired yet.

So while the relationship part is already washed, ironed, and neatly folded, their problems competing in the workforce of the Greatest Metropolitan Newspaper are just beginning.

And, of course, there's the snarky remarks. goofy


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when Lois and Clark arrive at season one, episode one, they are in a significantly different standing in their careers.
You mean Lois is new to the newspaper too? Like... is the plot something like they've just now shifted from Smallville Post or something to Daily Planet for their kid's higher education, better career prospects etc. etc.

And probably Lois was Clark's childhood sweetheart whom he married very early in his life, say at twenty-five... (please please don't make Clark any older than thirty-five! blush )

So this way, both Lois and Clark were committed and devoted to each other only throughout their lives... when suddenly Lex comes into play grumble grumble grumble (why the hell do I think of A-Plots when I don't like them myself?) and then *Superman* is needed, so Lois sort of comes up with this brilliant idea for her *husband* to help people... and then Lex sort of gets attracted to Lois (hell, CG! Why the hell did you think of this?) and tries his best to capture her heart? Lois believes him at first but then she believes Superman more, doesn't she?

And the whole wedding in BATB/HOL is a ruse to convict Luthor... besides LnC's son is developing superpowers... blush am I going in a different tangent?

"Let the games begin..." smile

Half of this is just a summary of Queen of Capes' first post in this thread...

Anybody for this plot? Please... please... tell me what you think... blush


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I think I'm beginning to get sucked (using gr8shades' recent term laugh ) into your idea, QotC... I was a bit apprehensive at first...

but tell me one thing... I seriously want some sort of change/ gradation in LnC's relationship just like it happened in the episodes...

As married couples... they remain just that - married. What sort of changes can they undergo- unless it is becoming/growing old together...


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I like the kid! And I think it is interesting to consider the possibility that Lois and Clark got married as teens. Maybe right after Clark learned to fly?

I would love it if the kid was the reason for Lois and Clark to get married - as long as the kid is Lois and Clark's! But, well, I know that some people don't like that idea.

Anyway, Lois and Clark married since their teens, with a ten-year-old kid, and both of them starting to work at the Daily Planet when they are in their late twenties and creating Superman together - that's an interesting scenario, to be sure.

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I would love it if the kid was the reason for Lois and Clark to get married - as long as the kid is Lois and Clark's!
Normally I would be against that idea... but if that's what it takes to make the premise sound feasible... then okay, go ahead! <sigh>


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So this way, both Lois and Clark were committed and devoted to each other only throughout their lives... when suddenly Lex comes into play [Grumble] [Grumble] [Grumble] (why the hell do I think of A-Plots when I don't like them myself?) and then *Superman* is needed, so Lois sort of comes up with this brilliant idea for her *husband* to help people... and then Lex sort of gets attracted to Lois (hell, CG! Why the hell did you think of this?) and tries his best to capture her heart? Lois believes him at first but then she believes Superman more, doesn't she?
To be honest, I don't see Lex having any chance no matter how subversive he would work if LnC were happily married for ten years, had a kid and invented Superman together. If he were to make any approach, Lois could either not notice, just Clark. In that case, it would be a question of trust. Whom does she trust more, Clark not just being a jealous jerk or the rich philanthropist offering her help in what regard again? Or if she noticed any advances after the first no thanks, she would immediately place Luthor into the bad guy drawer, to be put under the Lane microscope.

So what would be the conflict scenario prior to Lex?
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*) But what if Lois really were to be galactically stupid and not blinded by love? She doesn't know. And she doesn't recognize him for two years. But he still comes up with lame excuses. And since her body would still know her husband, she would be drawn to Superman, perhaps being torn apart by guilt and lust and anger at Clark for lame excuses. Which would allow for his lame excuses to go somewhat unchallenged. Well, as much as they did in on the Show. It would also explain why Luthor thinks he can push his way in.
*Looks around* So, the Lois not knowing idea is completely outside the box for this?

Any other ideas, except them not happily married despite their soul-mate bond for monetary and job-stress reasons? Because these reasons don't seem like LnC too me.

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Okay, it sounds like it's time to work on the backstory. laugh

If we go with Lois+Clark+Kid x 10yrs, there are two possibilities:

1. Lois and Clark met early, fell in love, and, being impulsive youths, decided to get married.

2. Lois and Clark met early, fell in love, and, being impulsive youths...eventually *had* to get married. wink

There are pros and cons to either scenario. I think the best approach would be to leave it deliberately ambiguous.

...Should I start the next poll, or wait longer? (School starts on Monday, darn it, and I want some fic. grumble )


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2. 2. 2. makes for much nficier flashbacks. And also gives Clark an excuse why he hasn't told her. They had to get married.

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2. 2. 2. makes for much nficier flashbacks. And also gives Clark an excuse why he hasn't told her. They had to get married.

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Think whatever you like, but I gave my word that the official cannon would keep it ambiguous. It's just not worth riling people over, and besides, ambiguity can give its own contributions to the story. (Think "It's Pat" from SNL, or any show that teases about whether so-and-so and so-and-so are a couple wink ) To paraphrase Detective Holmes, 'sometimes the absence of a detail is, in itself, a plotpoint. laugh

Besides, this is daytime broadcasting. We can't show Nfic until after the watershed. goofy

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Well you asked with just two options. But then you right. Ambiguity can be nice. And we all can do the math laugh regarding the official time line. evil

BTW: Some of S5/6's episodes can be found over at Anne's Place too. Just saying.

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I'm not against the kid, but I'm definately against option two.

Who says that sex within marriage is less spicy than before? (They've actually done studies on this and shown that it is no contest. Married people have better sex lives--hands down.)

Write whatever you want to write, but if you're taking a poll I'm opposed to the second choice.

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Have to agree with my love. The kid is okay, but not if it is conceived before marriage. At that point I step out of this entire venture.

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I'm with Elisabeth [edit: and James] here and have heard the same stats and have anecdotal evidence of the same from friends. While I have my own personal beliefs on the issue, I'm not *necessarily* opposed to fic where they *Wells imitation* prior to marriage - it depends on a myriad of other factors as well - my preference is always waiting for marriage and I don't write otherwise.

For that matter wouldn't Nan's "Second Choice" be an example of what the back story COULD be - those who have read it should recognize the difference there and I won't spoil it for those who haven't [but if you haven't - get thee to the archive!!!] - I would find that premise more interesting than the other and I still have faith in Nan's sequel queenness wink .

I could live with ambiguous as a reader/'watcher' as its unlikely I'll be able to write anyway.
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For that matter wouldn't Nan's "Second Choice" be an example of what the back story COULD be - those who have read it should recognize the difference there and I won't spoil it for those who haven't [but if you haven't - get thee to the archive!!!] - I would find that premise more interesting than the other and I still have faith in Nan's sequel queenness wink .
I just posted the same suggestion on the back story thread. Coincidence or a trend laugh But I would go as far as to grovel for Second Choice to be the back story.

A/The Second Choice for/of Lois and Clark - The rewritten Adventures of Superman

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But I would go as far as to grovel for Second Choice to be the back story.

PERSONALLY - I'd like to see where Nan takes it - if she chooses - because she always comes up with awesome stuff - but that's not to say that the premise couldn't be similar in some ways.
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Where we are so far (As of this writing):

There seems to be good support for the premise as-is. The numbers are strong.

FoLCs who voted in favor of a kid voted 11-5 that it should be a boy.

There is some division over how the kid gets his name. Favored option is an original name, with being named after his dad in second place, and a family member's name in third.

As of this writing, most FoLCs who voted feel that the couple either lived in Kansas or moved around a lot. Discuss .

Also, there is a near-even split over whether the kid knows. Discuss .

As to how long they've been working at the DP, early results favor that either both are new, or Clark is new and Lois isn't. Either way, it looks like Clark is a greenhorn.

Most FoLCs seem to prefer that Clark becomes Superman during the pilot, as on the original show. I'm inclined to agree, but feel free to discuss .

Oh, and we still need someone to keep track of the polls, make sense of the data, and maybe think of some new ones. The job doesn't pay, but you get a button. Invisible button. That you make yourself.


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As of this writing, most FoLCs who voted feel that the couple either lived in Kansas or moved around a lot.
I vote for living in Kansas until the kid's seven or something and then Lois moving to Daily Planet or somewhere else for some experience...

Somehow I can't think of Lois as a newbie... I sort of like the idea that Clark learns the reporting tricks from an experienced (in journalism) Lois and Lois learn to soften her writing style from Clark.

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My opinion is that the kid should not know... that way we could fit the kid knowing about himself in the Foundling episode or something where Clark and kiddo finds about their Kryptonian origin. And the next few episodes can deal with the subtle B-Plot of the kid learning to get used/use the powers.

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Yes, otherwise we won't be able to concentrate on the public's opinion on Superman, that is the public will already be used to Superman's existence, which is sort of dampening on their initial enthusiasm IMO. Now, a first Superman appearance that would be useful in projecting the show in the right limelight.

I also vote that Lois sort of says "Bring a change of clothes to work" as she says in the show. Only she knows that she's meant for her hubby to change his dirty clothes.

But Clark thinks over and Martha makes the suit, as usual... (within a day) and Superman makes an appearance and Lois is still awestruck, because she hasn't ever seen her husband like this! laugh

Then we could take it this way... Clark sort of becoming uncertain whether Lois loves his Superman part more than his Clark part... ie the superpowers and she could reassure him...

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I just had an idea I thought I'd throw out there. If you want to use it, feel free. If Lois and Clark are married when Superman shows up, you might want to have some of the tension in those early years be from people thinking that Lois is 'Superman's girlfriend.' And, hence, doubt the stability of Lois and Clark's marriage. It might also be why Luthor thinks he has a chance with Lois - whereas, I suspect she's just after the interview.

On the other hand, if Lois is after the Luthor interview, I could see Clark getting jealous - which, of course, could make things worse to the outside observer since they would think that the jealousy - and any resulting strain on their marriage - was about Superman.

Just a thought.

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MLT has some good thoughts that I like.

I am just catching up on this but I see that many are in favor of the child being conceived in a marriage and others saying why else would they get married so young.

Having grown up in a culture where sex does not take place outside of marriage (ideally), people marry way too young because, IMO, they confuse sexual attraction with real love. They feel compelled to marry ASAP to explore those feelings "legally". This doesn't mean that the relationship, if both are committed to it, cannot be a loving, lasting marriage, but people change SO much between 18-25. I can see Clark and Lois if raised in a small community feeling the need to marry, but college exposes them to new ideas and they change so much as to cause some strain on their marriage. Superman would futher stress the relationship.

I don't know, that's just my solution. Getting pregnant unexpectedly (first time or soon thereafter) and trying to build a new marriage, manage a house (though I'm sure Clark would be very helpful) all the shile trying to go to college could build up some resentment on Lois' part.

I'm looking forward to the re-write and seeing how despite all odds our favorite couple will end up staying together and loving each other.


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ML, I love it!

Rkn, good point.

I can somewhat see Lois as using Clark to run away from home (regardless of whether the kid came first or second). Figure, she has an abysmal home life, and now here's this nice guy from a small town who's wrapped around her finger... wink


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I can somewhat see Lois as using Clark to run away from home [snip]. Figure, she has an abysmal home life, and now here's this nice guy from a small town who's wrapped around her finger... wink
See, I could go for that explaination in a heartbeat...

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So do we have enough backstory to start working on season 1 yet? dizzy


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I think we have enough. What about the rest of yous?

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Yeah. Can't wait to see this play itself out.

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Might be worth posting a list of all the S1 episodes and figuring out how much each changes based on the different setup. Some will be a lot some not so much.

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