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I would like to read some kind of crossover story where three or four of the different versions of Clark Kent/Superman (George Reeves old fashioned hero, the Christoper Reeve protector of Earth, Dean Cain's everyman Clark-is-who-I-am,Superman-is-what-I-can-do, Tom Welling's broody teenager, and Brandon Routh's atoning redemtion seeker) meet and have to deal with something so big that it takes all of them combined to stop it and save the day. Extra Lois' are optional, as are Jimmy's, Perry's, Kents, etc. All action either takes place in the L&C-Verse, or across multiple universes. No moving between more than three dimensions.

Starting points for each version are: GR= After final episode of AOS. Chris Reeve= After Superman IV. Dean Cain= After Swear To God, This Time We're Not Kidding, but before Family Hour. TW= After Jonathan Kent's death. BR= After Superman Returns.

Villians are up to you, but make them EVIL!!!


Look up in the sky! Is it a flock of birds? Is it a bunch of airplanes? No it's the Supermen.....

my feminist heart weeps

c.

omg I really hope someone takes this challenge it sounds great to me.

It has nothing to do with sexual politics, and everything to do with the best possible story. Besides, who'd wanna read about the Margot Kidder Lois? She was a pure bitca. The only good Lois was Teri's in my humble opinion.

Oh and thanks Ambar....

LOL - pretty much *everything* in pop culture where the key figures are a man and woman is about sexual politics.

bitca? not sure what that means.

Agree with you about TH being the best Lois, though.

BTW, why did you chose that particular time slot for Dean Cain's CK/S and for Wellin's portrayal?

c

Jensguy, how about posting this challenge on a site which is dedicated to *Superman*? This site is, supposedly at least, dedicated to *Lois* and Clark. I have to second Carol - my feminist heart weeps at your idea of a multitude of Supermen and possibly, if we are lucky, one Lois. But she doesn't really need to be in the story, does she? The woman is optional, because the story is always about the man, isn't it?

All right - I realize that your challenge is a legitimate one, since crossovers are perfectly permissible here. But I'll keep insisting that your challenge is extremely inconsiderate of the preferences of the majority of the people who are likely to visit this site. Or, to put it in another way, it's sexist.

Ann

I am not sexist!!!

Or at least not in men's favour. Honestly, I mean look at my Username....

I only said the Loises are optional bit because I thought it would be a better story if the other Supermen were trying to cope with the issues raised from being forced away from their Loises. Also Teri's Lois is the only one I'd wanna read about.

Bitca = bitch. Watch Buffy season two, episode one. I love that show, and considering how sexist I supossedly am, that must come as a great shock to you.

As for the time frames, I wanted Cain's Kent married but no baby. And Welling's I just thought a greiving Clark would be an interesting addition to the mix.......

As for posting this challenge on a purely Superman site, I wanted Dean's Clark to be the focus of them, which wouldn't happen on any other site. If anything he'd just be treated like less than the others. I also wanted the best fanfic writers in the world to do it.

Lois is not optional, just that I don't want all the Loises in there as well as all the Clarks and Supermen. Too much confusion if not done right....

And one final note.....

Cheese Eaters Beware The Giant Rats!!!!

Jensguy -

I for one find this idea very intriguing. I would actually love to write a fic based on it, but right now I have two other fics I'm working on... so I imagine someone else will beat me to it.

Plus, as good of an idea as it is, and as detailed as it is, I don't know if I could do it justice. I'm writing a fic for someone else right now, they gave me an idea they wanted to see and turned me loose on it, and I'm so nervous to get it right...

That, and I know NOTHING about Smallville, never watched it. I could probably do Christopher Reeve's and Brandon Routh's characters justice, maybe, but not Welling... I don't know him.

But I hope someone takes you up on this challenge. It sounds wonderfully deep and complex. And I understood what you were getting at and where you were going with your ideas... but everyone looks at *words* differently. One person can read a paragraph totally different then someone else does. Don't take it personally.

-- DJ

Wow, I never realized until recently that most FoLCs are actually *not* fans of Superman. I've been a Superman fan all my life. L&C just happens to be one of my favorite incarnations of the characters. Interesting to learn that so many FoLCs are not true fans of the Superman myth. I just never really noticed it before. :rolleyes:

Jensguy - I think this is a great idea. I'm a woman, and I don't find it sexist at all.

Thanks Metro,
I'd like it if you wrote my story after you've done your other two fics. I think you'd do it justice. I doubt anyone else'll beat you to it.....

SuperGEM,
It suprised me too. I've been a big Superman fan since as long as I can remember. As a kid, Chris Reeve's Superman was my hero. Then when he had the accident and the way he fought to live after and the way he showed exactly why he was a real Superman I was amazed. And then I got into L&C, and then that was it. Superman fan for life in all forms. L&C does happen to be my favourite though. Mainly due to Clark being the person, Superman the disguise. People can be kinda obsessed with how they see the characters I find, and that's why people introed by L&C or the films just can't get into any other version. Or they just don't like 'em for some other reason(s).

And thanks, it's nice to know you like the idea. As for sexism, anyone who knows me will tell you that it's like accusing a goldfish of attacking the dog. It just doesn't happen. Thanks for your support there too.

Now before I go I'd just like to say one thing.....

You were fantastic.... absolutely fantastic... and you know what else? So was I!!!

Okay no promises, but I'll keep this one on the back burner and see what I can come up with. I've already had a few fleeting ideas come to mind that I quickly jotted down.

This seems like a daunting task to me, in order to make it work right, and be good. So we'll see if my muse is up to the challenge.

But like I said, I have a couple of other things going right now, so it may be a while (plus I really do have a real life, I swear it's true)

Okay - stepping in here with my admin hat on.

We all have different preferences and different story tastes. While it is perfectly acceptable to debate these, it is not acceptable to suggest stories are not posted here because they do not suit your own personal likes and dislikes.

Jensguy's challenge is a crossover. It contains elements from LNC:TNAOS. It therefore fits the rules of this forum and anyone who takes up the challenge is more than welcome to post the results here.

And just to clarify very clearly - in case there is confusion - there is no requirement on this forum for every story posted to include Lois. Or Clark. Or Jimmy, Perry, or Lois's potted plant for that matter.

I have to agree that I don't see anything sexist - or even inconsiderate - about this challenge.

Naturally, when a poster issues a challenge, they're going to give the parameters that encourage the story they want to read at that particular time. Just because they may say that in this particluar story they don't want Jimmy included, doesn't make them a Jimmy hater. If they say they don't want strawberry jelly in it, it doesn't mean they despise jelly either.

It simply means that they have in mind a particular set of conditions to suit what they have in mind in one particular instance.

That's the nature of challenge fic.

So, please...let's respect the fact that we don't all see the characters the same way or like the same characters or want to read the same kinds of stories.

Good luck with the challenge.


LabRat

True enough, Labrat.

Nevertheless, hopefully it is not inappropriate to present opinions here either. Otherwise there is no discussion or exploration of ideas on these mbs, only variations of "Me too". Afterall, the mbs are called "Lois and Clark', not "Lois and Jimmy and Martha and Jonathan and Clark" ; this title suggests, as the series did, that Lois Lane is equally as important a character as CK/S .

This makes me wonder if Jensguy's challenge really wold be more appropriate in the 'Off topic' forum, given that's where both Smallville and SR have been discussed. Still, I can see it's a blurry issue. Crossover, etc. And true, enough, writing a fic with the various interpretations of Lois as well as CK/S would be very "challenging" to write.

It's always interesting to see how each generation re-cons an iconic hero, weaving elements of the new age in with the classic image. We see that in each reincarnation of Lois Lane, too, perhaps even more than we do in the Superman character. (perhaps because of the feminist movement's history during this time period and the following backlash?).

In that respect, it's interesting that Bosrth's LL is quite different from Kidder's while Routh's Superman is really only an impersonation of Reeves' version, although I'm gathering it hits the "God" theme a lot more blatantly (maybe a reflection of the more Church dominated society in America this past decade?)

Of course, you could get a lot of mileage out of just writing about the change in the colour and style of Superman's briefs in each incarnation. That little (no pun intended) tabloid debate about airbrushing Routh's briefs. (to be written in first person, of course,through the eyes of each Lois Lane <eg>)

Jensguy, can you give us some examples of what was it that you found "bitchy" about Margot Kidder's LL? The New Yorker review of SR lamented the fact that Bosworth's LL lacked the feistness and zip of both MK's and TH's LL. It's been a long time since I saw that movie, so my recollection may be off - I remember a character who was independent, impulsive, a tad neurotic (those much talked about cigarettes!), good at her job, and professionally aggressive. She did like to be in charge, and I know, in the work place, that some men have often labelled such women as "bitchy".

Now, MK's LL did walk all over Dorky Clark Kent, but then he was being duplicitous in all those scenes (hiding those red briefs!) and so, argubly, one bad character trait cancelled out the other.

Btw, Jensguy, since it's Superman as well as CK who interests you, why include the Smallville version since Superman has yet to appear in that universe?

c.

Just FYI to add some further clarification to this...

Jensguy, if I do end up writing this...I've come up with the way I can do it, the direction I could take it...

However, it will not include either George Reeves' version or Tom Welling's version. First, you said not to go beyond more than 3 universes, that might be difficult to do with two many Supermen (as it is I think I may have to push that envelope to four, hope you don't mind.)

Secondly, I was too young and never watched George Reeves' version. I grew up with Christopher Reeve's as my Superman.

Here are the 4 Supermen I've decided to go with. Two from our Universe: Dean Cain's Clark and Alt-Clark. And Two from a distinctly opposite side of the universe/spectrum, where Clark is not really Clark and instead is Superman (and also where Clark does not have Lois) - Brandon Routh's Superman and Christopher Reeve's Superman. Okay, that's all I'll leak about the plot I've come up with...and I'm still a long way away from starting it. But there you go.

And for *all* of us Lois & Clark fans out there (I am a Superman fan, saw all of the Christopher Reeves movies - yes even the last 2 and I've seen the new one twice, going for my 3rd time - a *free* viewing - on Saturday, but LNC is my favorite), this story is going to *primarily* take place in LNC world. It basically has to, that's where the villian is from, and that's the world I'm most comfortable writing in.

Heh - still want me to give it a try?

Please go back and read my first post, Carol. I made it perfectly clear there is no problem with debating differing opinions in characterisation and story tastes:

So I'm a little surprised that you would have interpreted my post to mean anything else and can only assume that you failed to notice the above line.

What is required is that such debates are conducted with respect for the opposing pov.

Jensguy has posted his challenge perfectly appropriately in this forum. Had he posted it in Off Topic I (or another admin I suspect) would have moved it into here. For the reasons I've previously stated. Off Topic isn't where you post story challenges.

I'm not sure why you find the question of where to post blurry. There is absolutely no question that the challenge lies anywhere near the edges of the rules or is anywhere close to breaking them.

It is a challenge fic.

It is a crossover.

It contains elements of the show.

It therefore seems clear that the appropriate place to issue a story challenge which invites crossover stories about LNC's Clark/Superman with other Clark/Superman incarnations is in the Challenge Folder.

This forum is for stories about the show LNC:TNAOS. This does not mean that every story needs to include all of the elements of the show. Just that it contains some of them. The boards are not named The Lois and Clark Fanfic mbs because they only accept stories about Lois and Clark. But because they accept stories set within the world of and using the characters of the show entitled Lois and Clark (TNAOS).

The issue is not with which characters are important within the mythos of the show and which are not. It's about the fact that not all stories posted on this forum need to include Lois and that to suggest to authors that they do is misinformed as to the forum's rules. And that stories which do not include Lois are equally welcome here - despite the personal tastes of various members.

If this were not the case, we would have missed out on a LOT of very good fanfic over the years.

Heck, some stories don't include Lois or Clark. That doesn't make them any less LNC stories.

LabRat

OK, firstly, thanks Labby for your support, you've always been great to me, you're a fantastic person. OK, I have go clean this brown stuff off my face....

Things I found bitchy about Kidder's Lois. OK, this is dead easy. First, as you pointed out the way she treats Clark. Secondly, and this is my main reason, the bit in Superman II, where Clark's given up his powers just for her, got the beaten up by that guy in the diner, and she admits she was just in love with the Superman and the powers. There are other reasons though, and yes she does treat Clark a lot better in Superman IV: The Quest For Peace but anyway, moving on....

As for why I included Smallville, I like the series. Just coz he ain't yet at the stage where he's wearing pajamas to rescue people, it doesn't make him any less a Superman in my opinion...

Metro, it sounds amazing, write it and I'll be your slave for a week, and push the envolope all you want with the story......

OK, that's all for the post....

I've never watched George's version either. I just thought it'd be intresting considering how times have changed. As for the villian, it's Tempus, isn't it? You shouldn't have said anything, that was a dead giveaway.... lol

OK, later.

Wow, that's quite a strong censure of a suggestion in a vey tiny part of my post, Labrat.

Most of my post was about the interpretation of character.

What part of either of my posts are "disrespectful"? It was not my intent to be disrespectful but to discuss the interpretation of character.

But to address that very brief part of my previous post, when i said the 'off-topic' location was blurry, I meant just that - I can see both sides of the 'location' issue. In fact, I raised the crossover point (admittedly as a sentence fragment) My suggestion was a thought that flitted through my mind (and obviously a major error in my thinking process!). I don't really think it matters where the challenge goes, to tell the truth.

Anyway, I reread your post as you directed me to do.

I think what happened is not that i failed to see that line but that I interpreted the complete sentence in a way that was perhaps different from what you intended. (although, of course I don't know)
Here's the complete sentence:
By 'are not posted' do you mean 'should not be posted'? I wasn't sure about what your intended meaning was there. Also, I wasn't sure what the main clause implied - did you mean references to ideas are forbidden on the mbs? But that seems contradictory to "story ideas", unless by "story" ideas, you just mean plot ideas. Did it mean discussion of characters in a larger context? (like feminism or whatever - e.g. truth, justice and the American way?) Does it mean that, in responding to fics, no discussion of personal tastes (eg. "i like a growly Clark") is allowed on these mbs? I think the double negative added to my confusion.

I think Jensguy's challenge with respect to CK/S is an interesting one. in fact, it would be intriguing to see some response fics that do the same with Lois. (and jimmy, but perhaps the eyes glaze over at this suggestion.)

Btw should i censor that last comment about Jimmy since it reflects my personal tatse with respect to Jimmy? But it could be an interesting discussion to hear why people have the attitudes to jimmy that they do.

As for my comment about the importance of Lois's character - surely that was a major premise of L & C:tNAoS? Nevertheless, nowhere have i objected to writing a story that dealt only with one main character. How could I since I have written one myself?

c.

Oh really Jensguy? Tempus? You think so? It couldn't possibly, maybe be... oh I don't know, let's see who else could I pin dimenision jumping on...

MXYZPTLK?

Or it could be Tempus... who knows?

I just had to throw that out there - I need to keep you guessing. Although if you want to be at all surprised, then quit guessing.


ccmalo - Just to throw my vote out there - I like Jimmy. Always have. I think he's a sweetheart, and he's a great friend. I get a little irritated at him from time to time when he interrupts Lois & Clark doing what they, ahem (DJ clears her throat a little) do best. But I think sometimes those interuptions help keep sexual tension in the series and the stories. I personally prefer the look/personality of Justin Whalin's Jimmy to Michael Landis' version (but I liked his version okay too.)

I'm a little indifferent to the Jimmys in the movie's because they are portrayed a little *too* sweet and doe-eyed (and a bit nerdy) for my taste. But the Jimmy in the movie is awfully sweet to Clark, I must say. That's a little endearing.

Thanks, Jensguy for replying.

Respectfully (really, honestly, cross my heart etc ) i wonder if you'd be willing flesh out your opinions a bit? I'm interested in the *why's* so to speak.

*Why* did you reject my argument that the dorky Clark act cancelled Lois's "bitch" trait? (btw, this doesn't mean I objected to his not telling Lois or anyone else that he was S, but that by so camping up "Clark Kent" he's being duplicitous. He doesn't take Clakr Kent seriously; why should she?)

Also, is Perry White (not sure of the actor in the Reeves movies) equally bitchy for treating dorky Kent the same way?

*Why* is it bitchy to admit that it was Superman she loved - dorky Clark wasn't exactly the answer to a woman's fantasy (a maiden's prayer in old speak ) I didn't interpet her admission as being she loved him for his physical powers, otherwise she would have loved the devil (or Q or whoever) but that she loved the hero in Superman.

Doesn't Superman's mind wipe of Lois at the end of S II show a darkness to his character that is at least on a par with Lois's earlier too blunt honesty in her confession that it was Superman she loved?

About S IV - overall a silly movie, but not in how Lois Lane treated Clark Kent. He's still playing Dorkman (and so he's continuing his duplicitous behaviour), but she has come to love him anyway - her caring for him when she searches for him after he's gone into retreat is touching. In a sense, she rescues him. There, in that scene, we see growth in her character. But, to repeat, rest of the movie is, as you imply ... well...

Anyway, I guess I'm trying to say - MK's Lois wasn't a saint, but neither was Reeves's Superman (which makes them both more interesting as characters) If you're willing to cut the various versions of CK/S some slack with respect to character flaws, then *why* not MK's Lois too?

Oh, and also that word "bitch"

MetroRhodes, you make me think I ought to be more understanding of poor Jimmy.

c

I find this whole idea intriguing and can't wait to see the story. For those of you who haven't seen George Reeves' Superman, you are just missing out on so much. L&C is my favorite, by far, but George's Clark is not dorky and his Superman isn't bad either. So for those of you who aren't familiar with George Reeves' Superman, does that mean you missed Bud Larson (aka Jimmy Olson) and Noelle Neil (aka Lois Lane) in the new Superman Returns movie? Surely you didn't miss Bud Larson? He was also in L&C. He played the 'old' Jimmy.

Nancy - Fan of everything Superman

P.S. I wasn't even born when George Reeves died but I've seen all the shows in reruns. I believe they are also available on DVD.

I regret that I used the word "sexist", because that word is extremely loaded with negative feelings and at the same time, it's very fuzzy at the edges - i.e., you don't know what it really means. I shouldn't have used it.

I do want to say that I dislike the idea that Lois, any Lois, should be regarded as "optional" to any story about Superman. All right: I'm not saying that Lois *must* be a part of each and every Superman story ever told, but I do mean that if you tell a story that is supposed to be a sort of introduction, a sort of "who's this guy?" kind of story, then I'll *hate* it if it's going to be optional to talk about Superman's, any Superman's, relationship with Lois Lane. The fact that "Superman II" made Margot Kidder optional to Christopher Reeve's Superman was what turned me off the very idea of Superman for ten years. And to me, the very, very best thing about LNC:TNAOS was that Lois was as essential as Superman to that TV show.

I, too, would actually like to see various Supermen come together to solve a problem of some kind. But I would so, so much want every Lois to be a part of the story, too.

Ann

Actually MXYZPTLK is quite prominent in the Superman myth when you look at the comics. He also appears in Smallville. So I wouldn't think of him as strictly a L&C villain.

Tempus, on the other hand, is the only villain that is specific to L&C that comes to mind immediately. So I'm with Jensguy, I'm guessing you are referring to Tempus. Either way - I think your idea sounds great so far and I'm looking forward to hopefully reading it!

Agreed about the George Reeves' version ... I *loved* to watch it on reruns growing up! Christopher Reeve got me officially hooked on Superman as a kid - but it wasn't long after that I started watching EVERYTHING I could that related to Superman. Even started with the comic books, though I never followed them religiously. But as for TV and films, that included The Adventures of Superman, the cartoons, all four Reeve films, L&C, Smallville ... only thing I skipped was the Superboy series.

OK, I'll answer you all quickly. All this disscussion, I'll be very disapointed if nothing comes from it.

ccmalo: I like the idea of the same challenge with different characters. It could be really interesting. I do agree with most of your ideas about the movie characters, except Lois does admit it was the powers, not the man, that she loved.

Metro: The Mxyzplk idea is genius. But you said it was a villian unique to L&C. Mxy is in the comics too, so he's not purely a L&C villian. I did think of him but then thought it must be Tempus for that reason.

Classicalla: Having not seen the 50's series, I missed them all. Unfortunately. I'll have to look them up and then watch my Superman Returns DVD again.

TOC: I shouldn't have said that Loises are optional, but just to be less focused on.

Also just as a sidenote, any cameos by other people from the DCU would be great. Such as the main Clark (Dean Cain's Version) picking up Jack Nicolson's Joker for example.

Also an interesting question. Would the Kryptonite from one world effect other Supermen?

Oooh, Jensguy! Interesting question indeed. I hadn't ever thought about that. In another story I wrote, Remember Me, I had Tempus use Kryptonite from the alt-universe on *our* Superman. I hadn't really thought about that. Hmmm.

I'll be anxious to see what responses you get on that from the others but I'll keep that in the back of my mind. :-)

-- MR

Thanks Metro:)

Okay, Jensguy and whoever else didn't know that in Superman Returns:

• Noelle Neil played the rich old lady that Lex Luthor married
• Bud Larson played the bartender at the bar where Jimmy and Clark shared a drink

Where ever in the world did you get a Superman Returns DVD?

Wouldn't kyryptonite be kryptonite regardless of which universe one was in? Otherwise, you might be afraid to even drink the water - H2O2 (peroxide) instead of H2O (water) wouldn't be very tasty....

Thanks Classicalla. I did know that (about the characters) but only because I'd seen the "Up In The Sky" Superman documentary.

I'm wondering if that might be the DVD Jensguy was referring to. It sort of centered around Superman Returns.

Anyway, pooh, go ruin a plot line in my story why don't ya. Good thing I haven't started writing it yet. No, you bring up a good point though. I guess when it comes to chemistry a kryptonite rock is still a kryptonite rock.

-- MR

Thanks Classicalla.

Oh, and the DVD is of the actual movie. I got it from this bloke I know. It's a 100% perfect copy. I'd offer to do copies for people, but as I understand it, that's illegal.

So I won't.

Did I mention my e-mail address is skaboy366@hotmail.com ?

So MetroRhodes, I have an idea that might help your story. How about the alt Clark is affected by red or purple or orange or whatever color of kryptonite in the same way our dear Clark is affected by green kryptonite? And the green kryptonite from the Alt Clark's universe had no effect or a different effect on our Clark? And who is to say you couldn't have a alt universe where our laws of physics don't work? Different color spectrum. Water is poison. Green sky. Blue trees...

Did that make any sense?

Hmm. Very interesting Classicalla. The only problem is that I'm using characters from movies we've all seen, and the trees are all green and the skies are all blue.

But I like your idea of different Kryptonite. Maybe I could introduce a new color (or do research in the comics on another color).

But yeah, that's sort of the idea I had about the Kryptonite affecting the Supermen differently. They can all be killed by green Kryptonite, but the green stuff from one universe doen't kill a Superman from another universe. Maybe it makes them a little dizzy or sick or something but isn't lethal.

I don't know. I'll keep toying around with it. This is the hardest story I've tried to write yet to come up with a decent plot line...

It'll probably take me a while. My muse is going to have to really be inspired.

Later -- MR

I like the idea that Kryptonite from different universes should affect the different Superman differently. If I were you, I would stick with the basic idea of green Kryptonite. But why not make subtle changes to the shade of green? I really, really like the idea of turquoise Kryptonite. And how about yellowish lime-green Kryptonite? Maybe in one universe the Kryptonite could be basically green, but shimmering with muti-colored opalescence. Then of course you need the bright, unmerciful, neon green Kryptonite.

I *love* the idea that all the Supermen could be unpredictably affected and somehow weakened by the Kryptonite that's not from their own universe. (If it were me, I would, of course, have each Superman affected by one alien Kryptonite substance in such a way that he realized how unforgivable it was that he had been ignoring "his own" Lois as much as he had - presumably the LnC Superman wouldn't have this reaction, though... )

Ann

Ha ha! Ann you are too much!

Green colored truth serum huh? Intriguing.

These ideas are all wonderful. Surely my muse will get inspired soon. I just lack that "climactic" plot line/ending. I usually don't start writing a fic without one. But maybe if I just start writing, it will come to me along the way.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions!

Sorry I don't have anything constructive to add LOL - but I was just wondering if your muse needs any extra nudging MetroRhodes?

If by chance it does ... I'm gonna nag just a bit to see if I can help ya along!!

Alright, alright, go ahead, say it.....

Personally, I'd go with Mxy. As much as I like Tempus, he doesn't have the abilities that Mxy has!


Additionally, I don't think that Kryptonite from so dissimilar universes would affect other supermen. Something about a quantum signature issue...

James

Hee hee!

Okay, okay, my muse grudgingly came by last night. She said I'm wearing her out, by the way, and when is she going to get a break? I told her no time soon.

She imparted me with a few ideas and got me started off.

So there you have it. It has begun...

YAY!!

FANTASTIC!!!

By the way, can I change my name from Jensguy or am I stuck with that?

Um need clarification *Jensguy* - do you want *me* to call you something else (if that's the case, no problem, what do you want to be called?)

Or are you wanting a different name on the boards? If so, go into your profile and type a new name. Your log in name will still be Jensguy but you can change your user name.

At least I did anyway. I used to be L&C4Ever until I came up with the name I wanted to use. You might want to put a tagline in your signature that says "formerly Jensguy" or something like that, so we know who you are until we get used to your new name.

Go Rhodes Go!!!

James (Who has wanted to change his name for a while and didn't know how!)

You're welcome James, glad I could help!

Thanks Metro. Can't wait to read the story....

Welcome CKWB!

I can't wait to read this story! I think it will be great!

Hi Classic It will be a while I'm afraid. I've started it. But I'm in the middle of posting Novel Idea right now. And I already had another story in queue behind Novel... a story I did for Tahu. It's called New Beginnings.

I have to get those two finished first. But I am working on it.

Aren't my ideas like golddust?

I was just thinking that it'd be interesting to compare the different moral systems of each Superman. Also their reaction to TH's Lois...

"I wish my Lois was more like her" or "I'm glad my Lois isn't like her" kinda thing....

CKWB -

Are you trying to read my mind?

Where's my alumimum foil cap? I know I put it around here somewhere...

Already got you covered on this point. Ann and I discussed that it would be nice to explore how the different Supermen treat their women, maybe get some pointers...

Hee hee.

CKWB - I thought you'd be happy to know that today was my last 1/2 day Friday for the summer at work... and I spent it working on the fic "Supermen United".

I really needed to do dishes, laundry... but my Muse came by, tied me to my chair and threatened to superglue my fingers to the keyboard if I didn't start typing.

Well of course I did. When one's Muse makes demands, one must listen. Anyway, I just thought I'd give you an update.

Great.

I was just thinking weird thoughts and I thought if the George Reeves version had been in this fic, would every one else see him in black and white? lol

Clark Kent Wannabe, your last statement was hilarious. I do believe only the first season was in BW though. The color in the seasons that are in color are so good they rival the color in current TV shows.

Actually I thought the first 2 seasons of TAOS were black & white? I didn't think they went color until season 3? I could be wrong, someone please correct me if I am.

Just checked the Superman Homepage, and the first two seasons were B&W, and the rest colour.....

Well, DJ, if you do let George Reeves' Superman make an appearance, I would definitely appreciate it if he was in black and white!

You realize that his Kryptonite would be a shade of grey, too?

Ann

Well, sorry to disappoint, but no George Reeves...

For one thing I've written too much already. Plus I don't know his version of Superman.

Also, I'm already writing 4 different Superman, it's getting confusing enough to keep track of all of them... Throw in a Richard, a couple of Jimmy's... And 3 Lois's... and things really start to get interesting.

Oooooh wow this sounds amazing! I cannot *wait* to read it!!!

It sounds fantastic. I can't wait to read it. All who read it will worship us. Worship us! Or maybe just you. I only came up with the basic idea. By the way, Superman Versus The Daleks, anyone? Dust? How many calories in dust? Anyone?

What if the Clarks discovered that they're all fictional? lol

"They can be a great people Kal-El. They wish to be. They only lack the light to show them the way. For that reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them, you, my only son"

"What we have is stronger than me"

"I'd love you even if you were an ordianary man"

"Kneel before Zod"

See http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php for the Tinfoil Hat Song

Ha ha! Thanks Marcus! That was a good laugh.

Yes, ahem, I couldn't find mine so I had to make a new one. All good to go write again.

Woohoo!! Free donuts and beer to the best Homer Simpson impersonator....

No using the catchprase "D'oh!" though.......

You are a strange one, Clark Kent Wannabe...



I'm up to 13 pages now...

Yes, I am....

How's it goin' Metro? Let me know nwhen you're finished?

Patience my young padawan... err, sorry, wrong series...

Ahem...

I'm working on it. In case you hadn't noticed, I've been busy lately, posting another story. Plus I already had one ahead of yours that's waiting to be beta'd. I have many pages written and the plot outlined and I'm working on it. Don't get the pointy stick after me yet.

I hope I manage to pull this off. I'm pretty happy with the story thus far.

Anyway, there's your update.

Thanks for the update Metro. I didn't mean to rush you. I apologize...

Oh, no, not at all...

I just take more time and care when I'm writing something for someone else. It's hard for me to be happy with it...

No, keep your stick handy, you might need it... just not yet.

Just a brief update for anyone who's interested in this story...

I'm up to 36 pages so far. I'm imagining it will be around 50 pages or so when finished.

It has of course taken a TOTALLY different turn from what I originally pictured... dang Muse, always running off on some tangent.

And it looks like I may have to post two versions of the story. There's one scene in the story that LabRat just wouldn't give me the green light on - no matter how much I edited it To edit it down for PG, I lost the total cuteness and fun (and sexiness) of the scene.

LabRat said she really liked the scene though and that I should post a seperate version in nfic. So I probably will.

But it's still a ways off from being completed, and my beta is still backed up right now. So it'll be a while before it's posted.

Anyway, that's my update for now.

-- MR

UPDATE - VERY BAD UPDATE!!!

I had been saving this story to a usb jump drive and the drive went bad last night. I don't know what's wrong with it, it short-circuited or something. My computer doesn't recognize the drive any longer.

I've tried it in several different computers, to no avail. And other drives work in my USB port, so I know it's the drive.

Anyway, I hadn't backed the story up to my laptop. I didn't even think about my drive going back. So basically, this story is GONE. Yep, you heard me right, G O N E, gone.

(Unless someone out there knows how I can get the drive working again). There's a company out there that does data retrieval for just this sort of thing (or tries to repair the USB) but they want around $100 and sorry, the story isn't worth that...

So, I still have the idea in my head, and hopefully I'll get inspired at some point again to try it again, but right now I'm bumming big time. So depressed. I had 40 pages of this story written (and I lost another story as well that I had about 16 pages of).

Major, major bumming going on here...

Are we allowed to swear on these boards?

F@#&*$% $%^&!!!

Yeah, no kidding... Ask me how I felt at 1:00 in the morning last night furiously searching the internet trying to find a way to save my drive.

Oh well, betcha I don't do that again.

Anyway, the story is still in my head. All the parts and the plot line and everything is still there. It's just that it won't come out the same again and I really liked how it came out the first time. But I've jotted down a few notes, so I wouldn't forget anything. And I'll start back up on it again soon... when I get done beating my head against my wall

I have had this happen a few times and it is totally devastating, at first.

I have found, though, that once I am able to get up the energy to tackle it again, the second time round comes out even better than the first.

Perseverance is the key.

James

Oh, no, no, DJ. Damn! Poor you, and poor us. I, too, had been very much looking forward to this story.

I just hope you will be inspired again. The Supermen united is such an interesting premise, and you are just the writer who can do the story justice.

Please start over again, no matter how frustrating it may seem. In the meantime.... Is there anything we can do to cheer you up? (Insert hopeful emoticon here.)

Ann

Ann you are such a sweetheart. What you just said cheered me up quite a bit. Thanks.

And thank you for the encouragement too James.

I did sit down last night, while the story was still fresh in my mind, and jot down about 15 pages of notes on scenes and characters. Then this morning I got up and actually *wrote* 3 pages of story.

We're a long way from 35/40 pages, but at least I've started it. I'm just glad my muse is still speaking to me.

Thanks guys!

FANTASTIC!! Let me know if there's anything I can do for you Metro.

By the way, what made you chose your screen name?

My last name is Rhodes and we all want to live in Metropolis, right? So therefore, MetroRhodes.

So glad to hear you are back writing it, DJ! Or re-writing it, more exactly... Anyway, I'm very glad to hear you haven't given up! Keep at it!!! (And say hi to your muse from me!)

Ann

I understand your devastation!! Let me tell you what I do and it works like a charm. This won't help now, but it will help in the future. Every time I write A LOT or every other day when I don't, I send my story to myself at my yahoo email. It's a great place to store your stuff. It's still there even if your computer crashes!! Sometimes you may lose your formatting, but at least you don't lose the stories. I've found it's best to always send the story to myself using a text file.

I'm glad you are writing the story again and you must be since you asked for my help. Do we still get two versions??

Hah! You'd better believe it. The *n* part was the only part I actually was able to save. I had e-mailed it to LabRat to see what she thought about me PGifying it (it wasn't PGifyable by the way).

So yes, you'll still be getting 2 versions. For that one silly little part but I can't help it. I really like it.

SuperGem, this question is for you... (or any others of you out there who have seen the movie enough to know )

I know you've seen Superman Returns like, what, 10 times now?

Can you tell me, when Lois comes outside at the end, to smoke, and Jason says "goodnight" to Superman, is Lois in her pajamas? A robe? Clothes?

I wanted to say she had a delicate robe wrapped around her, but I just can't seem to remember. Can you help me out? I wrote this part way back at the beginning of my story, but I was going back over it tonight and decided to spiffy up a few parts and fix any boo-boos I found.

Oh - and did I get this quote right?:

<Richard’s a good man and you’ve been gone a long time.>

Let me know. Thanks!

I sent you an e-mail ... but I am about 99.9% certain she is wearing a brown robe during that last scene ... when she goes out to light the cigarette.

Hope that helps! Can't wait for this story!

And yes, you got that Richard quote right ... perfect!

Please delete this post, I wrote stuff here then decided to delete it but now it's just a crappy non-post.

Thanks Genine! I appreciate it!

CCWB - Me wonders what it was you were going to say???

I was gone this weekend on a camping trip, but I'm back and bursting with fresh ideas... Hi ho, hi ho, back to work on the story I go.

Good to have you back to work on your story, DJ!

By the way... if you can find the time... those seven dwarfs that you undoubtedly met on your camping trip, what are they called in English anyway? I only know what they are called in Swedish.

Ann

Ha, Ann! If you would only watch the episodes of Lois & Clark - this is one of the many things you'd learn. They discuss this very thing in one of the last episodes of the first season.

Okay, let's see if I can remember. There are 7:

Doc, Grumpy, Dopey, Sleepy, Sneezy, Bashful, Happy. There you go.

BTW - Clark bets Lois that she can't name them all. The one dwarf she can't seem to remember, after getting 6 of them, is bashful. Ha ha ha!

Oh, and I'm up to 25 pages again. Woo-hoo!

Thanks Ann!

25 pages! 1.21 gigawatts!!

Yeah!! DJ!!

So, Ann, what are the seven dwarves called in Swedish? And did you get an English or Swedish version of LnC?

Hee hee!

Hello everyone!

We're up to 38 pages now and I've got everything lined out. Still think there will be 50 to 60 pages when finished, but maybe more.

Thanks for your help with the *allergies* thing Classicalla. You're great!

In Swedish, the seven dwarves are - let's see if I remember them all - Kloker (that's Doc, and "klok" means wise, smart), Butter (that's Grumpy, and in Swedish "butter" means exactly that - the fatty stuff you get from milk and spread on sandwiches is called "smör"), Toker (that's Dopey, and "tokig" means, more or less, dopey), Trötter ("trött" means tired), Prosit (that's originally a Latin word, and in Swedish it's a friendly-funny word which you say when someone has sneezed), Blyger ("blyg" means bashful) and Glader ("glad" means, obviously, glad, or happy).

The -er ending in most of the names is an old Norse masculine suffix, not much used in Swedish today.

Thanks for telling me about the dwarves' names in English, DJ! And it's great to hear that you have written (re-written!) so much of your story already!

Ann

Is everyone yet prepared to admit I am the master fanfic challenge setter? lol

We bow to thee, oh, Clark Kent Wannabe, formerly Jensguy. What happened to Jen, anyway?

And so you should bow

Nothing happened to her, I just wanted to change my username, that's all.....

Hey, DJ, I know your story is well underway, but you might just have to at least mention George Reeves Superman since there is a movie coming out about his 'suicide' that many think was actually murder. It's called Hollywoodland. Maybe he could make a very brief appearance but not really be part of the story per se?

Boy you don't ask for much do you?

Sorry to disappoint Classicalla, but I'm maxed out on this as it is. CCWB originally requested that I try to hold it to 3 universes and I already pushed that to 4. Plus I've got 4 Supermen, 3 Lois Lane's, a couple of Jimmy's, Perry, and several other characters that I'm trying to write dialogue for and keep them all separate and distinguishable. Whew!

And I'm up to 45 pages now. Getting close to wrapping things up - have everything plotted out. I think it will be 60-65 pages probably. Then I'll be going back through to revise and refine. :-)

But thanks for the suggestion. I'm excited and more than a little apprehensive about all the people who've told me they are looking forward to this story. The pressure's on...

Oh and just to add a sidebar...

This was a fanfic challenge - maybe someone else out there would like to give it a stab, and they could get George in there.

I'm going to stick with what I've got.

Thanks though! And thanks to those of you out there who've sent me little encouraging notes and telling me you're looking forward to this. Let's hope I can pull it off.

Hmmm. Sue just said much the same thing. Don't let it get to you, girl. Heck, we are the ones who should be grateful that you are writing this story in the first place - writing it twice, now!

And like you just said, this premise was a challenge. Yes, I would have liked to see a 1960s kind of comic book Superman, the Curt Swan kind of Superman with the angel face, the Superman who lived in a perfectly clean and shiny sort of ideal society Utopia. Were things really like that back then? Were they that simple and perfect? No, they weren't, not the way I remember them. But the comic books sure were attractive.

But, like you said, DJ. If I'm so eager to have my nostalgic comic book Superman from the 1960s meet with Dean Cain's Superman and Brandon Routh's Superman, I should write the story myself. And so far, I'm not at all *that* eager.

Ann

DJ, I was thinking more of a fly in, fly right back out, no dialogue kind of appearance. Nothing major... Besides I was mostly just teasing you a little.

So would he be in B&W?

Sure - flys in, takes a look around, decides he'll fly back...

Hello everyone. I just spent the last few minutes going back through and re-reading this thread. This was such an interesting idea.

Well, for any of you out there who are keeping track... I'm now up to 58 pages, and still the end is not in sight yet. I still have about 5 more parts to write. Whew!

My Muse seems to have abandoned me the past couple of days though. I've tried bribing her with some chocolate but that didn't seem to work. I hope she comes back soon...

Anyway, that's my update (and I have the story backed up in several spots now, so we're safe )

-- MR

I know you don't like to, but would you consider starting to post the story even though it's not done??

(Nancy hides behind the parentheses waiting for noodle lashes...)

Eeep! Are you trying to give me a heart attack?

I haven't even sent it to my betas yet. I'm trying to give Sue a little break so she can write and I have a new beta who offered to do the PG for me.

I'll think about sending the first part off to my betas. I just hate to send anything till I'm done because as I write I'm continuously refining and changing things... I just made a change back on page 5 not 2 days ago.

But I'm hurrying!!! I promise!!!

Thanks for being such a good little nurse and answering all the questions I've had for you, by the way. I appreciate it.

DJ, I love the idea of having George Reeves' Superman just fly in, take a look, decide he'll fly back home... and be in black and white!!! (Coldn't he come at the very end, perhaps, when everything is wrapped up, and the other Supermen are shaking hands and congratulating one another on a job well done? Perhaps one of the Supermen, or one of the Loises, or someone else, could point at the sky and say, "Look! It's a bird! It's a plane! It's.... Naaahhh....")

Good to hear your story is safely backed up now. And you know, I just loved to hear you say this:
Okay - I won't comment any more on it - just want to say I love it!

Ann

Hi Ann!

I'll try to work it in, but no promises. Right now I just don't see where I'd put it.

Anyway, can any of you who are following this help me out a little here? I need to know how many floors the Daily Planet building has. I can't seem to recall. Also, what floor is the main newsroom on? I want to say it's on the 4th floor, but how many floors are above that? Just need to know a distance thing.

Also, do you suppose the elevator would go up to the roof? Or just the stairwell?

Thanks for whoever can help me out.

Oh, and P.S. - I'm up to 66 pages now.