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Posted By: daneel FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/05/04 08:54 AM
I think the baby is going to help then to be closer laugh

Jose smile1
Posted By: Gabriele Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/05/04 09:07 AM
What a part! Fiest Lois in her meanest and everything goung asunder - and then the turning point.

It has been such agony, so it's really relieving to read about their relationship growing closer.
Posted By: ethnica Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/05/04 09:11 AM
It's good that they're trying to be civilized, but if she hadn't been pregnant the marriage would have been annulled, and I've never seen a marriage work because of an upcoming baby. Although both are now reeling from all the emotions the fact remains that having a baby cannot keep a broken relationship intact.

The true measure of a person is how they treat you when you're at your lowest (in Clark's case sick and needing an operation to live), and that's when Lois knowingly treated Clark like a pitiable pest. She made it obvious that she wants him to live, just not with her. Their having a baby, no matter how welcome, cannot alter that unchangeable reality.

I can see a HEA here: they divorce and stay friends. Are they supposed to stay together for the baby's sake? Eventually one or the other is going to want to experience real love in his or her life, not just share the bond of legalized parenting. They don't need to be married for that.
Posted By: Laurach Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/05/04 09:13 AM
Wow this was like being on a roller coaster! I am glad it ended up rather calmly. Good segment. Laura
Posted By: CC Aiken Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/05/04 09:20 AM
Well, thank goodness!

Didn't have a chance to comment on the last part, but I have to say as big a fan of S1 Lois as I am, I was just ready to punch her in the nose.

Seems, though, that they reached the boiling point, everything bubbled up and over in big, ugly catharsis, and now maybe...that teaspoon of something happy...ish?

Really a nice job of involving the reader. Love how long the posts are, and how much I want to tear the hair from the characters. That's a compliment- can't read this and not feel strongly!

CC
Posted By: Mad Dog Lane Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/05/04 10:33 AM
Hi there girls wave

I agree with CC. I love the long postings... I can never have enough of them!

Having the baby concieved in an artificial way kind of disapointed me, but it came on the right time, thanks God.

Lois is finally breaking down the walls around her and finally i could manage to diminish the level of tranquilizer i was taking to follow this story.

I am much calmer now... I couldnĀ“t take all that situation for any longer.

Thanks girls... for a really great part.

SQD, notworthy , and Jenny... you are great!

MDL. laugh
Posted By: sunrei Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/05/04 11:55 AM
Hello Ladies!

I agree that you guys do an excellent job of invoking emotions- something not everyone can do well. Also, this aspect of the relationship was definately needed to provide a little relief from all the tension.

It's nice to see that they are both growing up a little, though it is a bit worrisome that they are still trying to play the 'avoiding game'... although beginning to tell people may force everything in the open.

All in all- great post as usual. It seems that they are subconciously becoming attached without either of them knowing it! laugh I look forward to reading more!

sunkist
Posted By: Shadow Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/05/04 12:37 PM
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It's nice to see that they are both growing up a little
Way to put it. It was about time.

JD
Posted By: Gabriele Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/05/04 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by ethnica:
The true measure of a person is how they treat you when you're at your lowest (in Clark's case sick and needing an operation to live), and that's when Lois knowingly treated Clark like a pitiable pest.
I agree! It's hard to believe that she cares for him, it seemed that she cares only for herself.
Clark is blind if he only thinks about the baby, and forgives and forgets how Lois treated him.
Posted By: Julia Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/05/04 04:42 PM
Excellent part wave
Posted By: mariadferdez. Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/05/04 05:50 PM
Hi,

Great part. smile1
Posted By: SJH Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/06/04 12:02 AM
How do you know if something will work, including
love, if it hasnt been tested?These two fought with themselves as with each other. Both have
acknowledged their mistakes, have apologized and
are moving to compromise. I say the marrage will work, baby or no.
{I liked first season Lois, the girl knew how to cuss)
Posted By: SuperRoo Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/06/04 12:47 AM
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"Wow," was all he could say as he watched her retreating back. He collected himself and ran after her again, smiling brightly when she reached out to take his arm.

Lois had no idea where she found the nerve to kiss Clark like that. For the past week or so, she was having difficulty determining how she felt. Terrified was a pretty accurate way of describing how she felt about this baby. Confused was more the word she needed when describing her relationship with Clark. But the open expression of genuine appreciation on his face when he thanked her for this baby was more than even 'Mad Dog' could resist.

Besides, it was just one kiss. What could it hurt?
Lois --> Please don't blame these feelings on the prego state. Ugh.

You have captrued season 1 Lois perfectly from part 1 to now. I have loved how you have encorporated the episodes with your creation.

Keep rockin'
Posted By: Gabriele Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/06/04 02:15 AM
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Originally posted by SJH:
I say the marrage will work, baby or no.
Truth is, that isn't a marriage, they are only living together as friends.

Marriage is not legal paper. First, marriage without sex *ever* is sham.
Posted By: Gabriele Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/06/04 02:19 AM
All is not Lois's fault. Clark shouldn't have pressured her to marriage and living together.

And though he hasn't demanded anything, he have expected - and got disappointed.
Posted By: IreneD Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/06/04 05:16 AM
Wow!

You continue to handle this delicate situation with its complex emotions incredibly competently. I'm totally blown away.

Irene
Posted By: SJH Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/06/04 07:20 AM
Hey, you have a point. Would pregnancy through
artifical insemination consummate a marrage?
Posted By: ethnica Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/06/04 09:19 AM
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How do you know if something will work, including love, if it hasnt been tested?
Agreed, but when you are found lacking, as a Season 1 Lois eventually is, no one should keep trying to make something out of nothing. Only when she evolves into a Season 2 Lois is she worth anyone trying to pursue a relationship.

No one can change another person; the change has to come from within. But we can decide how much of their crap we're going to put up with before we say 'enough is enough.' I personally hope Clark remembers that he'd reached that point and doesn't let the hazy thoughts of fatherhood sway him into thinking they have a future.

Maybe it's time for a Lois and Clark story where they don't make it. I've questioned their futures before but I've never felt as strongly about their failure as I do with this story. Her being a b*(h when he's dying is unforgivable. He may have been the alien, but she was the one less than human.
Posted By: Gabriele Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/06/04 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by SJH:
Would pregnancy through artifical insemination consummate a marrage?
No. Clark would have an annulment because Bernie could tertify. Only, he would have to tell everybody the reason for marriage, otherwise all would condemn him abandoning a pregnant woman.

In fact, Lois acts not like a wife but like a woman who uses Clark as a sperm donator - though she wants a baby not for heself but in order to save Superman.
Posted By: stopquitdont Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/06/04 10:30 AM
Wow! The sheer number of replies in this folder took my breath away!

First, let me say thanks to everyone for continuing to read this. And for commenting so whole-heartedly. When this idea first evolved for this story, I never imagined readers would feel so strongly about it. Just knowing we've been able to accomplish such emotion has made all the effort put into this worth while.

I do hope our writing can eventually help Lois evolve. After all, what is Superman without his Lois Lane? wink

Please, keep reading and letting us know how we've manage to capture the feel and emotions we set out to.

SQD (who is sure poor Jenni is chomping at the bit-- she was so nervous about posting this!)
Posted By: SJH Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/06/04 10:36 AM
Lois did manage to get herself into rather deep expletive deletions this time. But I do think that her fears and struggles with marrage are not without merit, given her history. Still, she is willig to try, for whatever reason. This Lois and Clark seem more real to me because of their fears and struggles.But they are addressing the problems
which gives me hope.
I agree that change must come from within.I see that in Lois. She stepped out of herself with her offer to have this child. She agreedtomarrage,and to share his living space, more concessions.The wedding night was beautifuly handled. She sought to please him without teasing. She did for Clark,what she had never done for another.
So they fight; as with so much in life, you live,and you learn to roll with the punches.
Posted By: ethnica Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/06/04 12:34 PM
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Lois acts not like a wife but like a woman who uses Clark as a sperm donator - though she wants a baby not for heself but in order to save Superman.
THAT'S IT - that's why I cannot possibly see this couple work! She doesn't care if Clark lives or dies or sets himself on fire; she's saving Superman . She has no concerns for Clark's well-being, his physical or emotional health, other than a cursory statement that he should not overexert himself as Superman. But she doesn't give a hair on a fat monkey's butt about 'Clark the man'. She's made her feelings crystal clear to the dying man sleeping alone in that attic.

OK, she's not blind, she can see he's hot. So what? There's a big difference between thinking someone is hot and caring about them, the same difference as between sex and love.
Posted By: Gabriele Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/06/04 12:51 PM
A man who lost his wife told me that one of the things that happened during her illness was that he ceased to talk carelessly, like one normally does. I think if Lois really cared for Clark, even as a friend, she would think about him all the time, not about herself and her insecurities.

She thinks so much about the result - how to save his life in the future - that she totally forgets how to make his life more full and precious just now.
Posted By: SuperRoo Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/06/04 01:03 PM
Lois is such a prude. It is breaking my heart that Clark has to sleep upstairs in the attic. I understand the whole space/privacy/issues of marriage thing, but 'cmon the dude is dying. At least give him his bed so if he needs to toss his cookies he can be in a more amorable position to run for the loo; I can see him now falling down the spiral staircase. I can understand her hesiation, but the whole illness thing changes everything. I know Lois has more sence, compasion and logistics in her head somewhere.

The attic sounds cool. I'll go sleep there.

Lois is too wrapped into herself. Boy is she learning a lot about herself. She needs to act less irratic mad dog lane and more level headed. She *agreed* to the situation - she needs to deal w/ it in a mature fashion.

I can hardly wait to see how this goes. Please mooooooooooooore. I want to see how the hottest team in town survives this one.
Posted By: ethnica Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/06/04 01:03 PM
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A man who lost his wife told me that one of the things that happened during her illness was that he ceased to talk carelessly, like one normally does. I think if Lois really cared for Clark, even as a friend, she would think about him all the time, not about herself and her insecurities.
I love the story but I really think Lois has crossed the line into inhumanity here. The kindness and friendship she showed by her willingness to give birth has been totally decimated by her actions since their marriage.

They never should have married. He is sick; he is dying! His possibly last wish was to marry Lois and have a child he could call his own! That really should have not been too much for an intelligent adult to understand. If she couldn't do it, she should have backed out, not used him as a whipping boy for her vicious tongue and insecurities. It's all he can do to try to live each day to the fullest and she has made his possibly last days H**L!

This situation gave Season 1 Lois a chance to demonstrate that she had an unselfish bone in her body. She failed.
Posted By: avia Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/07/04 03:40 PM
I can understand why a lot of people are ganging up on Lois but Clark is part of the problem as well.

As I see it the problem of this relationship (marriage or no marriage) stems form miscommunication which is very much in character for first season Lois and Clark.

While Lois suffers from a few insecurities so does Clark and the fact that they haven't really discussed anything, partly because of time constraints, certainly doesn't help them deal with this extraordinary situation as individuals or as two persons in a relationship.

People seem to forget that by the time Lois did some thinking and some maturing Clark was the one acting like a child and not talking with Lois. He even decided to go ahead and have the papers for an anullment drawn without discussing this with Lois he just informed her of his intent.

Avia (who suspects she'll need to edit this a lot after posting at 1:30 am wink )
Posted By: ethnica Re: FDK-A Gift For Life: Chapter 9 - 09/07/04 05:33 PM
I re-read the story, trying to figure out just when I began to despise Lois. From the minute they came back from their trip, it's been all about how she feel trapped. She's been an absolute witch to a man who's dying. She insisted on the baby, he insisted on the marriage. Does that mean he's volunteered to be her doormat?

The transplant may not work. What are her paranoid insecurities when compared to a man's life? Somehow it's easy for me to excuse the behavior of a man who's dying when he loses his patience when dealing with a shrew. I understand why he gave up on her. He may be dying, but he still has feelings and she's purposely stomped all over them.

I'd personally like to see Lois deserve Clark, not just get him on a silver platter because she's pregnant.
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