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peep Any wildguy around? No, good.

I know, it was a lot of Clark introspection, but I wanted to show how he deals with what Lois did to him. So what do you think?

Part 13 / TOC

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Eh? No comments yet? Huh. o_O

Anyway--a chilling part, Darth. I don't know how much of this you've planned from the beginning--Lois' early behavior does seem inexplicable--and I think your fic is actually getting better as it progresses.

I need to see Lois get some come-uppence. What she did to Clark--rape by drugs--is wrong, and illegal. While you don't seem to be handling it lightly, I nevertheless wish to warn you, just in case, because many people and writers don't seem to know. Girl-rapes-guy is not inherently more acceptable than if it were the other way around (though I suspect you already know that) There's a trope site which goes into more detail about that: Rape Is Okay When It\'s Female On Male

Also, just because it's Lois doesn't make it okay. I'm not accusing you of saying it is. In fact, you seem to be handling it well. Clark is upset. That is---well, I want to say 'Good', but that doesn't sound right---That is appropriate.

While I do look forward to a reconcilliation, these events need to be dealt with. Clark has been wronged. He feels there is no one he can turn to. That right there broke my heart, by the way. Kudos to you, because it didn't even sink in for me how victimized he was until you mentioned him unable to even turn to his parents.

So, to sum it up:
Part good. Rape bad. Clark need lawyer. (Or at least a shoulder to cry on.)

ETA: Did I mention you broke my heart?? whinging Poor Clarkie! mecry

ETA2: ...Um...But pairing him with Mayson is *not* the answer. You hear me?! wildguy wildguy


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Hey Mary. Great to see you here smile And dance at the getting better bit. And as far as the comments go, Beth is usually here a few days after I post and all my other regulars are on the dark side :p

Funny thing is, I had the first 6 or so parts planned out and then the story took on a life of it's own as it became clear the little stunt could be milked for lots and lots of angst. But as of part 8 it's all mapped out again.

As far as the girl-rapes-guy-thing is concerned. You are absolutely right, and some of my fellow FoLCs are quite good at reminding me in case I should forget.

Of course, I do have an exit-strategy. Thing is, Viagra only affects the blood-flow down below, and not the rational mind. And although Clark was stimulated at the time, he was always capable of saying no, if he had taken a moment to think about it as he had done during PML. Not that he will be so so eager in believing that right now dance at the heartbreak. That's what fics are for laugh

BTW: *Why* is Mayson and Clark not a solution? They would look so good in the wedding pictures. And I'm sure she would be willing to take care Clark's kid while the mother is doing jail time. /me ducks from pointy sticks thrown by wildguy

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Here I am, Michael! Riding in on my red racecar.

I enjoyed seeing Clark trying to use logic to puzzle out Lois' reasoning, which is intrinsically illogical.

And now Lois and Clark are stuck in a room together! Such fun... goofy

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Hey, I’m might not always feedback, but I’m still reading. laugh And this is getting better by the minute! smile1

You are teasing us with the whole pregnant thing, aren’t you? When are you going to make Lois take the test and have the stick turn blue? clap

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Ah, there you are, Beth smile And you are right, it will be fun. Question: Will Perry really phone Lucy while keeping LnC in seclusion?

dede, great to see you back and FDK'ing wave

As for the pregnancy thing. It takes, what, two weeks after conception before a test reads anything conclusive. And Lois next ovulation is still a good seven to ten days away. And at the rate this story is going right now, 20 days are eighty parts, so ask again in a year and a half :p Nah, just kiddin'. Once they don't have anything to work through anymore, I'll be quite happy to jump ahead in time and do an epilogue.

And of course, dance to the whole Viagra thing. Lois will get into that sometime down the road.

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Hmm, those are some very good points, Dede. And you're right; it is extremely easy to forget how this all started and why. So they are both equally to blame, then?

I confess, I don't know much about viagra and that kind of stuff. I'd always just thought that a (very) aroused man is physically incapable of rational thought. (Y'know. Cuz the brain doesn't have enough blood in it. Or something.) huh


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I have no idea how a viagra works either, lol, my point is just that drug and rape is totally different than this. The person is asleep or completely unable to fight against it. When you rape someone, you sleep with them without their consent.

I’m also not saying that what Lois did is not a crime, Queen. But deep down inside Clark knows that he can’t have the cops on Lois for the same reason that he won’t tell his parents about what happened. It’s because he knows that he could have walked away from her, and that he still loves her enough to respect how good people think of her. sloppy

Lois did create a mess out of the situation, but her reasoning was ok to me! She just needs to stop being a sissy, crying her eyes out in a work place, and step up and assume her share of the blame.

Oh, and Lois also needs to take a pregnancy test, stop with the two weeks nonsense, Darth! Have you never heard of something called writer's liberty?!

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Mary, yeah it is. Especially when the very evil author (*hint* *hint*) drags out 3 days over now 10 parts and counting.

As far as the Viagra is concerned, there is a description of its affects at the end of part two. And no, the male body as more than enough blood to compensate for a little bit of misdirection into one particular body part. And if not, then you'd just faint before you'd get irrational. Just like when you try to stand too long on your head.

BTW: That's a GOOD thing because otherwise it would be the perfect excuse for rapists. *shudders*

Dede, as far as loving Lois goes, just wait and see. But for now, yes, Clark doesn't hate her. Doesn't want her to come to harm. Not saying that will change, but well, Muses can be very evil. Especially if they are from Utopia and bored.

About the pregnancy and writer's liberty. Hey, I actually sat down, checked facts and made a timetable to ensure there are seven to ten days before Lois ovulates the next time. I'm not just going to throw all that away now. On the other hand, I might have Lois walk too close to Johnny Corbin, which should solve the issue of a hundred thousand Kryptonian swimmers quite neatly. smile And Lois could still have unprotected sex later on and right on time for her ovulation. No harm, no foul.

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In my Mind: She still drugged him, she still raped him. It's a crime and she needs to be locked up.

Of course Mayson and Clark are perfect. The only problem is Mayson would have to recuse herself at Lois' trial.


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Hi Juliet. Good to know you're still reading smile

I can't help but disagree huh Lois did a lot of things to Clark, but rape isn't among them. Contrary to popular belief, a man who is physically excited is still in possession of his rational mind. He might prefer to ignore it, but that decision is up to him.

As for Mayson, well, I do have my reasons for putting her in there.

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In my Mind: She still drugged him, she still raped him. It's a crime and she needs to be locked up.
I hate to intrude since I'm not current with this fic, but this reasoning (and I've seen several people use it, not just the more recent poster) is disturbing to me because it suggests an equivalency between male-female rape and female-male rape. I've seen it before and never commented, but I think I should just go ahead and do so now.

It's not the same.

Several studies have shown where the differences are and I could hash them out here, but I would take a lot more room than what I should in something off topic. Suffice to say that a man never feels the physical powerlessness and the psychic repercussions a woman feels (for entirely societally constructed reasons). Here I am referring explicitly to female-male rape (between adults).

This is not to engage in oppression Olympics, but there are serious societal issues at work that make the two acts of coercion very different.

And of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but the logic of "it's the same" can used in very unsettling ways.

My apologies Michael, I just thought this was an important perspective to bring in.

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My apologies Michael, I just thought this was an important perspective to bring in.
No problem, alcyone. Your points certainly have a ring of truth in them. Isn't our society great huh

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