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#221277 06/28/09 05:10 AM
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As some of you know, I homeschool my kids. And before, when I've needed help (the geography project- which has morphed into an ongoing 'book of centuries' kind of thing tied in with our history!), you guys have come to my aid. Anywho, the other day when we heard that Michael Jackson had passed away, I learned that my children are somewhat 'socially/culturally' ignorant. When my oldest son (who's 15) asked, 'Michael who?', I knew my poor kids need a little help! What I mean by that is that I feel that there are certain people (not necessarily related to history- e.i. MJ) that I feel my boys should at least have a passing knowledge of. Be it artists, singers, dancers, writers- I just feel they should know some of the people that has shaped their culture. And whether we like it or not, musical artists like MJ have done just that. What I need help with is a listing of people you feel have helped shape or reshape modern culture. Even certain criminals could be considered in this list because let's face it, Al Capone definitely reshaped American culture. Although, I'm not going to limit their exposure to America. Princess Di, for example, very famous, very influential to our world.

Here's a couple of names I've come up with... Norman Rockwell- while they would certainly know who Walt Disney is, Rockwell might not be as familiar. We've already established Michael Jackson. I've added Elvis, too. So, who do you feel has had major influences on our world? Someone you might not readily find in a history book. Like I said, include ALL examples- artists, writers, musicians, dancers, actors... and just anybody else that seems interesting.

Thanks in advance!
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Hey Squid, Boy, that's a tall order. I can't wait to see who people come up with.
Living in the South of course we get a lot of Martin Luther King, of course since he has a holiday after him you probably already have him.

How about the whole man going to the moon. All the people involved in that.

Fred Astaire and Ginger Rodgers

The Wright Brothers
Pat Boone

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Take them to see the Night at the Museum movies, and then discuss laugh Lots of fun historical tidbits in there.

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He grinned at her - a goofy, Clark Kent kind of a grin. "I have a gift for understatement."
"You can say that again," she told him.
"I have a...."
"Oh, shut up."

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I didn't mean Pat Boone. I meant Dick Clark.

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The first man on the moon was Neil Armstrong. He landed on the moon almost exactly 40 years ago, on July 20, 1969. I remember gazing up at the moon at the time and imagining I could see the moon lander up there!

(By the way, your sons may want to know what Armstrong said when he set foot on the moon: "That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind". And why not tell your sons that Armstrong's journey to the moon is still the longest journey that any human has ever made?)

Your sons absolutely need to know about the Beatles, too. John, Paul, Ringo and George. They were an absolutely huge phenomenon in the sixties and they made an incredible impression on the world.

How about painters? Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Rembrandt, Vincent van Gogh, Picasso? Maybe even Andy Warhol?

I think your sons should know about the entire "Wild West" film genre. All those heroic movies about cowboys and Indians, where the story is set at the American frontier in the nineteenth century. Some of those movies were real masterpieces. Personally I loved "Shane" with Alan Ladd, but there were so many others. And some of the stars of those movies were so iconic, like John Wayne.

Speaking about movies, I think anyone should know about "Gone With the Wind" and "The Wizard of Oz". And of course you should know about Charlie Chaplin. And why not Alfred Hitchcock? And Marilyn Monroe. Hey, as a Swede, I vote for Greta Garbo! wink

(And if I may be at my most Swedish, maybe your sons should know about ABBA...)

Dancers? That's easy - Rudolf Nurejev was so iconic.

Opera singers? Luciano Pavarotti, absolutely! Personally I preferred Placido Domingo, but Pavarotti was a lot more famous. More charismatic too, I think.

If we speak about classical music, your sons absolutely must know about George Gershwin.

When I mentioned George Gershwin, I was reminded of his famous opera, Porgy and Bess. Since that opera is about black people, I found myself thinking of a few great black artists and entertainers. People like Billie Holliday, who sang the unforgettable and deeply disturbing "Strange Fruit". Another great black artist, but someone who seemed to be of a sunnier dispostion, is Louis Armstrong. There is of course Sammy Davis Junior, too, and his very famous white singer-actor friend, Frank Sinatra.

Well, that's all I can think of for now.

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I saw MLK mentioned, and while on that theme how about Rosa Parks?

Susan B Anthony .

And while on the subject of famous Quakers, how about the role of the Quakers in developing the 'employee-friendly' side of what we now know as human resource management: educational and social-welfare programmes for their employees? In the US, the most famous example is Hershey\'s ; see the section on Building a Town, not just a Company , on this page. Similar stories come from the UK with companies such as Cadbury's, Lever Brothers, Rowntree (now owned by Nestlé), and so on. Homes were provided for workers; the children of workers - and even child workers - were educated, and illness and retirement care (including the earliest pension programmes) were provided. Other employers at the time claimed that this was too expensive a way to run a business... but look at what's considered normal by most employers these days. You'll find more about Cadbury and the village of Bournville here , and also on the Cadbury Philanthropy page on the Cadbury website - note all the links in the sidebar to further information.

Hope this helps! The websites of companies such as Hershey and Cadbury are very child-friendly, too, so that could be useful - Cadbury's website also has the Story of Chocolate, going right back to the discovery of the cocoa bean in South America and how it gradually became what we eat as chocolate today (did you know that chocolate when it was first invented was intended as a drink?)


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You need a few more musicians. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was in a way the Michael Jackson of his time! He was hugely talented and became an international star at a very young age. He wasn't a dancer or a singer, but his music "sang and danced". He died at the age of 35 or something like that. (I remember American singer Tom Lehrer saying, in the sixties, "When Mozart was my age, he had been dead for three years".) In spite of his fame and the fact that his music has lived on through the centuries, Mozart was so down and out when he died that it isn't even known where he was buried!

Eine Kleine Nachtmusik by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

Another famous classical composer is Ludwig van Beethoven. His ninth symphony, "An Der Freude", has been claimed by the European Union (the EU) to be the "anthem" of the EU. And you just have to know his symphony number five. Da-da-da-DAAAAA!!! Da-da-da-DAAAAA!!!

Ludvig van Beethoven, Symphony No. 5

(Can you believe that Beethoven grew deaf over time? In the end he was really stone deaf and couldn't hear any music at all. But he kept composing great music, because he could "hear" the music in his head!)

I'm sure I don't need to tell you that your boys must know of William Shakespeare, who is probably the most famous writer of all time. They must know of his two best-known tragedies, Romeo and Juliet and Hamlet. They should know of Homer, too, the Homer who isn't a yellow-faced cartoon! No, the Homer who wrote The Iliad and The Odyssey. Without that Homer, the movie Troy would never have been made.

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I vote for Shirley Temple, Jackie Joyner-Kersee, Babe Ruth, Dorothy Hamill, Paul Bunyan (sure, he's a myth, but he's a famous myth), Johnny Appleseed (same here), Jackie Robinson, Chuck Barry, Louis Armstrong, and Gene Roddenberry, just to name a few.


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Oh - Jerome Seigel and Joseph Shuster of course wink .

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Don't forget Nelson Mandela. I'm not Catholic but I'd also recommend Pope John Paul II. He really shook up the church in a number of ways. Oh, and Lech Walesa too and the Solidarity movement in Poland would be good to study as well.

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I think E.D. Hirsch wrote "The Dictionary of Cultural Literacy" which was items that Americans were kind of expected to know to fit into our current culture.

I've skimmed through it and it's interesting.

I think the posters on this website are much more informed and knowledgeable than the usual American TV-watching dullards. For gosh sakes, I read somewhere that something like 40% of American high school seniors can't even give the dates of the American Civil War! (Not like that was important to our later history or anything.)

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As an astronomy fan, I'd like to mention a few names and events that your sons should know of. It would be nice if they knew of Galileo, even though I guess Galileo is optional. Exactly 400 years ago, in 1609, Galileo revolutionized astronomy by looking at the night sky through a (primitive) telescope. Galileo saw mountains on the Moon and and four moons orbiting Jupiter. He concluded that the Moon is made of the same stuff as the Earth and that Jupiter is a planet like the Earth. The doctrine taught by the Church at the time, that everybody believed in, was that the Moon and everything else that could be seen in the sky was made of much more celestial stuff than the Earth, and that the Earth was the center of the universe, so that everything else orbited the Earth. Galileo said that the Moon was made of the same kind of matter as the Earth, and that Jupiter is a planet just like the Earth, and that there was no reason to think that the Earth was the center of the universe. Galileo said that the Sun was the center of the universe - well, he wasn't quite right about that, but he was right about the Moon and Jupiter and about the fact that the Earth is in orbit around the Sun.

In honor of Galileo and his discoveries 400 years ago, the United Nations has declared that 2009 is the International Year of Astronomy. Really!

The next name that your sons should know, and in my opinion it isn't even optional, is Isaac Newton. Legend has it that Newton was sitting under a tree when an apple fell on his head. He looked up in the sky and saw the Moon - yes, you can see the Moon in the daytime sky, except when the Moon is full or when it's new - and he concluded that the Moon is "falling" towards the Earth for the same reason that the apple just fell to the ground. In both cases, it is the Earth's gravity that pulls the apple and the Moon downwards.

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(So why doesn't the Moon crash down on the Earth? That's because the Moon has a "forward motion", too. If gravity didn't exist, the Moon would just leave the Earth and disappear into space somewhere, following its own "forward motion", and it is the gravity of the Earth that continually "bends" the path of the Moon into a circle - or actually an oval - around the Earth. As for the Earth, our planet would similarly just sail off into the blackness of space, following its own "forward motion", if the gravity of the Sun didn't force us to keep circling the Sun.)

The next name of astronomy and physics that your sons must know is of course Albert Einstein. With his theory of relativity, Einstein completely revolutionized physics and our understanding of the universe. Einstein said that the universe is "curved", and it can be visualized as a springy gridwork. Every massive body "weighs down" this springy "surface" and creates its own "indentation" or "gravity well" in it. If we think of the solar system this way, why does the Earth keep orbiting the Sun and why does the Moon keep orbiting the Earth? It's because the Sun creates a big and deep "gravity well" in the fabric of spacetime, and the Earth creates its own gravity well too, although it is much smaller than the Sun's. Think of the inside of a bowl. The Earth is running like a pin ball on the inner wall of the the Sun's gravity well. The Earth isn't falling down, because of its own forward motion, and it isn't slowing down because there is virtually no friction in space. But the Earth can't climb up the wall of the Sun's "bowl", and so it can't escape from the Sun. As for the Moon, it is trapped by the Earth's gravity well, and it is running around inside it.

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Curved spacetime. Image the Sun being at the bottom of this "bowl", and imagine the Earth orbiting the Sun on orbit C.

Einstein concluded a lot of other things as well, such as the fact that nothing can move faster than light, and nothing made of matter (such as spaceships and people) can even move at the same speed as light, and your own "personal time" slows down as you move faster. When you approach the speed of light, your personal time creeps almost to a standstill, and as you try to move ever faster the extra energy that you use to try to increase your speed will actually mostly increase your mass instead. (Yes, it's true! If you move very fast your mass will increase. Particle physicists know that tiny particles like protons can become as massive as tennis balls if you increase their speed to close to the speed of light.)

There is so much more to know about space, but why not just teach your sons about Galileo, Newton and Einstein for now?

(Okay - I'll give your sons a crash course about the Big Bang, too, but that will have to wait until tomorrow... ) wink

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Painters: Picasso (Abstract Expressionism), Warhol and Lichtenstein (Pop Art), Bosch (Late Gothic Art), Durer (an awesome bridge between Late Gothic Art in Northern Europe and its contemporary Italian Renaissance in Southern Europe), Hokusai (Japanese art). Hokusai is a pretty awesome Japanese painter and woodblock printer who influenced a lot of movements like Art Nouveau and Impressionism.

Pope John the 23rd called the Second Vatican Council to reformat the Catholic Church and created what Cardinal Montini so aptly quipped, 'a hornet's nest.'

Jimi Hendrix is my guitar hero, and Scott Joplin is my king of ragtime on the piano.

Alice Paul is pretty awesome. She was arrested for picketing in front of the White House and led a hunger strike in prison all in the name of the women's right to vote.

Marshall McLuhan is kind of a big deal in one of my fields, web and programming. He basically predicted what all of our technology would be back in the 60s.

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Before I say anything about the Big Bang, I need to say something more about Albert Einstein. He is really most famous for his formula, E = MC2. It means that energy is equivalent to mass multiplied by the speed of light squared. This in turn means that mass and energy are aspects of the same thing, and that huge amounts of energy are locked up inside every ounce of matter. Just consider - energy is equivalent to mass multiplied by the speed of light squared, and the speed of light is 300,000 kilometers per second! You'll have to figure out how much that is in miles per second yourself, but I think it is something like 180,000 miles per second. But then you have to multiply that incredible speed by itself!

This means that if you can convert just a little mass into energy, you are going to release huge amounts of energy. That is the principle behind the atomic bomb. You take plutonium, which is a very heavy and unstable element, and send an extra neutron into the nucleus. The nucleus will promptly split, releasing a neutron that will hit another nucleus and split it, releasing another neutron and splitting another nucleus which in turn will release a neutron etc, starting a chain reaction. But it is also true that the "halves" of the nuclei, plus the extra neutrons that were released, contain slightly less mass than the original nuclei. The "missing" mass, though tiny, is converted into enormous amounts of energy. This is the principle behind the atomic bomb. Just a tiny amount of plutonium can release enough energy to flatten an entire city.

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I'll just throw Bill Cosby into the mix.

On the flip side, you have O.J. Simpson.

Any of the Founding Fathers of our nation (or maybe that is already covered).

Thomas Edison, Winston Churchill, Douglas MacArthur (not just as a general; his influence shaped relations with the Far East for years.)


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I would include people like Captain Cook and Sir Edmund Hillary, even Jacque Cousteau. These explorers opened the eyes and minds of the world...

In pop culture... Madonna would be as influential as MJ I would think. Arnold Schwarzenegger (sp) would be another cult icon if you forget about his politics. Elvis Presley and perhaps John Wayne would be others... but you could cover so many people...

Queen Elizabeth II, Nelson Mandela, Gandhi - all interesting in their own way. In high school in NZ we had to study Martin Luther King as a lead in to some of the history of the USA.

Arthur C Clarke would be an interesting one from a literary perspective.

There are so many potential people in society present and past....


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Okay... the Big Bang!

The Big Bang is a catchy name for the scientific explanation of the beginning of the universe.

A catchy name, yes, but there is a catch! The name wasn't coined by a proponent of the Big Bang theory, but by one of its opponents, Fred Hoyle, who wanted to ridicule the idea. The name caught on because it is, as I said, catchy, but it does a poor job of explaining what scientists mean when they talk about the beginning of the universe. The name suggests that astronomers are talking about a mega-titanic explosion that, as it were, begat the universe, but the truth is that astronomers don't know what happened at the exact moment of the beginning of "the universe and everything" or what, indeed, caused this beginning.

What astronomers can describe, in fine detail, is what happened, pretty much, from a starting point a micro-milli-nano-second after the Big Bang and onwards. There is very good evidence that at the almost-beginning (because astronomers can't say anything about the very beginning), the universe was incredibly tiny, incredibly dense, and incredibly hot. How tiny was it? Smaller than an atom. How dense was it? Well, how dense will a sphere the size of an atom be if you cram it full of all the matter and energy in the universe? And finally, how hot was it? It was as hot as a sphere the size of an atom will be if you fill it with all the heat in the present-day universe (and that includes the heat from absolutely every blazing sun in the universe).

Why can't astronomers say anything about the very beginning of the universe, the moment of the Big Bang? It's because conditions at this time were so extreme that physics can't describe them. Astronomers don't understand what their science of physics can't tell them. So really, as to what happened at the moment of the Big Bang, astronomers are clueless.

However, when astronomers look around them in the universe, they see signs of expansion everywhere. The light emitted by galaxies has been "stretched" or redshifted by the expansion of the universe, and it has been more stretched the further away the galaxies are. The galaxies are being carried away from us, all the galaxies we can see in every direction, carried away as if on a huge wave sending everything hurtling away from us. The galaxies are being carried away on the "fabric" of the universe itself, because the universe just keeps getting bigger. (Well, there are a precious few nearby galaxies which are approaching us, most notably our big neighbour, the Andromeda galaxy, which is in fact on a collision course with us! But astronomers estimate that we are not going to collide with the Andromeda galaxy for another three billion years!)

But anyway, like I said, the universe was once smaller than an atom and just incredibly hot and dense, but it has been expanding and cooling ever since that time. To say that the universe has grown bigger than the human mind can comprehend doesn't say much, because the human mind can't really comprehend the size of our own solar system. But the size of our solar system is perhaps a couple of light-days if you count the swarm of distant comets which mark its outer borders - that is, it takes light a day or two to go from the Sun and reach the most distant comets orbiting the Sun. (For comparison, it takes light eight minutes to go from the Sun to the Earth, since Earth orbits about 150 million kilometers from the Sun.) As for the size of the present-day universe, I read somewhere that it is around 80 billion light-years, which means that it would take light 80 (or would it be 160?) billion years to cross it. And as far as astronomers can see, the universe just keeps expanding.

The universe is also full of a "background radiation", a radio signal corresponding to a "gas" with a temperature of 3 degrees Kelvin, close to but not at absolute zero. This background radiation fills the universe, as I said, and astronomers say that this is the remnant of a time 300,000 years after the Big Bang, when the universe was filled with a hot opaque gas. But it was at this time that the hot gas became transparent, and light shone through the universe in every direction. The hot opaque gas that filled the universe has become a thin, thin soup of cold radiation that still fills every nook and cranny of the ever-expanding universe.

By the way, astronomers believe that galaxies exist because the hot dense tiny universe that existed almost from the beginning contained miniscule irregularities. Some parts of the original "universe soup" were just a tiny bit hotter than others, and some parts were just a tiny bit cooler. As the universe expanded and cooled, the hottest parts of it remained slightly hotter and denser than their environment, and matter became ever more concentrated in these hot spots. Here is where galaxies were born.

Let's summarize. The universe is expanding. All the galaxies in the universe except a very few nearby ones are being carried away from us. The very fabric of the universe is stretching. But whether or not there really was a true explosion at the beginning of time that set off the chain of events that have led to our present-day universe, astronomers can't say.

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laugh I was going to suggest Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher. laugh

Kidding aside, maybe you should not only mention Neill Armstrong, but also the crew of Apollo 13 (the mission with the problem).

Concerning musicians - is it me, or is it true that nobody has mentioned ABBA so far? eek

Moving over to astronomy... How about Stephen Hawking? And, although it's not in the least astronomy-related, but the name sounds so similar: Stephen King!

Another important scientist on my list would be Charles Darwin (On the Origin of Species) and maybe Mendel (the geneticist with the peas).

And one physicist whose most important discovery is used in every hospital: Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen (he discovered the X-rays), though that's not the only thing he is famous for. smile


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WOW! Already tons of information to keep us busy the entire year! I was thinking of only a semester, but why not the whole year? And I already know how I'm going to do it. At the beginning of each week, I'll let my boys choose that week's topic (e.i. music, art, literature, astronomy, etc.). Then I'll give them each a name from a HUGE list I'll have compiled from all the great tips from you guys. clap

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He is also the founder of the Core Knowledge Foundation, writer of several educational books, and an influental educator. It's his belief that America needs to drastically change the way in which we educate our children. He writes the 'What Your Child Needs to Know...' series. Huge name in the homeschool community.

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My youngest is interested in all things presidential. I'm not sure why. dizzy I'm trying to figure out how to use this obsession to my advantage. Anywho, I don't believe I'll have trouble getting him to learn about the Founding Fathers. I might have trouble getting him to stop! cat

Not to leave anyone out, these are fantastic suggestions. I have a definite direction to head in now when I get ready to plan out this course. Any suggestions what we should call it? Cultural Influences 101 laugh

Thanks again and keep the ideas coming!
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I had such a rotten education, I think I'd like to come take your class. LOL I know you're somewhere around here in the South!
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SQD - don't know if you're familiar with Dave Ramsey but he promotes sound financial planning/budgeting etc [like, if you can't pay for it, don't buy it; spend less than you make, etc. - someone needs to mention that stuff to Congress but I digress...]

He has a program for kids as well as curriculum for schools etc. His adult program can be adapted to kids as well [my 7yo asks if something is in the budged and how much does the van 'pays' [costs] etc].

Thought of him when you mentioned your son and money smile .

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I learned that my children are somewhat 'socially/culturally' ignorant. When my oldest son (who's 15) asked, 'Michael who?
Oh, my. Your son is 15 and didn’t know who Michael Jackson is? I’d suggest finding him / them a CD of Thriller - or a DVD of the music video if possible (it’s probably available on the internet, though). They’ll figure out really fast why MJ has helped shape the music world.

Ronald Reagan helped bring the “Wall” down.

Adolph Hitler was responsible for the holocaust. I’ve visited one of the death camps (concentration camps). It was very eerie and creepy.

I’d say the Osmonds have also helped shape the future of music in that they have shown that not all musicians / performers are drug addicts, etc or a “bad” influence.

Henry Clay was a great statesman.

I’d hope the kids know about Abraham Lincoln.

Of course, there is Superman. His invention by Siegel and Shuster was brilliant. At the time of his creation in the pre-World War II era, a hero greater than any other was needed, and Superman fit the bill. A similar reason has been given for the popularity of Smallville (post 911 world). Did you know that before the creation of the Superman that we know that they had a character that was a ‘superman’ and that that character was the basis for Lex Luthor? (Reign of the Super-man)


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That might be because creation was of intelligent design and set the rest into motion. As is said, “What came first? The chicken or the egg?”


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Ann mentioned them.


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I don’t know if you can do any of those in only a week. I took a full year course in only classical musicians.


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to learn a bit of astronomy.
If they aren’t huge fans, how about just teach them to recognize a few constellations - Ursa Minor (The Small Bear), Ursa Major (The Big Bear), the Seven Sisters (The Pleiades), Orion, etc?

I can think of so many more people...


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How about Laura Ingalls Wilder's series of books about her childhood as a pioneer girl in the late 1800s? Please don't substitute the books for the TV series. They are completely different. The books are about a family's loyalty, courage and love for each other as they struggle day by day to stay alive in a magnificent but dangerous and treacherous new land. The TV series is about a modern girl, dressed in old-fashioned clothing, playing pioneer and having a good time and fighting Nellie Olesen over the favors of Mannie Wilder.

These two takes on the story of the American pioneer family say so much about America then and America now. The members of the real Ingalls family were full of dreams and hopes about a better life in still unexplored parts of America. They were incredibly courageous and resilient. As Laura retold her story as a child, she lovingly described all those little details of the work that Ma and Pa did to ensure the survival of the family. And she described her own work too, as well as the play she found time for. The books speak so strongly of optimism and hope for the future and willingness to work hard and long to ensure that future.

The Ingalls family on TV were given a complete character makeover to appeal to modern-day kids, particularly modern-day girls. Few American girls today are hugely fascinated by the particulars and minutiae of day-to-day survival. That's boring, and someone else will take care of it. Instead they want to see a girl fight another girl for the boy she loves.

The way I see it, the books by Laura Ingalls Wilder describe how America became so great. The TV show describes how modern America has become slightly bored by the details of the struggle it took to become great, and instead modern kids want more romantic and immediately gratifying stories.

If you can get your sons to read just one book by Laura Ingalls Wilder - and I realize this might be a difficult task, since your boys are boys after all - then I would recommend "The Long Winter". Talk about struggling for survival! Amazing!

And speaking about fighting for survival, I really think your sons should have at least a passing knowlege of the story of Robinson Crusoe.

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As to why Laura Ingalls Wilder's books are so different in their focus from the TV series, you know what I think? The Ingalls were poor, but the girls watching the show are rich. No, I don't mean that the Ingalls were dirt poor compared with most people in those days, because back then most people were poor. But they were poor, nevertheless, and they asked for so little. In one of her books Ingalls Wilder describes one of the Christmases when she was little, perhaps six years old or so. She and Mary got a tin cup each for Christmas, plus a tiny cake sprinkled with white sugar each, plus a candy cane each, plus a penny each. The girls were absolutely ecstatic because of their magnificently splendid Christmas gifts! They spent hours playing with their tin cups and their pennies, and they made their cakes and candy canes last for days! Can you imagine two little girls being so deliriously happy over such meager gifts today?

But now consider the little girls for whom the TV show was produced. The target audience. They were the ones who were supposed to ask their parents for all the luxuries that were advertized in the commercial breaks of the show. They couldn't spend too much time identifying with girls who were ecstatic if they were given a single piece of candy, because then they might be distracted from asking for new splendid dresses for all their Barbie dolls as well as for themselves. The poverty and hardships of the real Ingalls family had to be played down, so that the girls watching the show wouldn't be distracted from buying. And then Laura Ingalls herself had to become another person than the one she really was.

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Actually, since they're boys, they might go "Eeewww, girl books!" Farmer Boy focuses on Almanzo Wilder's family as he grows up, so might appeal a bit more.


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The 40th anniversary of the first Apollo Moon landing is coming up soon. A list of some events is at Apollo Moon Party you might see is any are near you. Or see is a local science center, museum etc is doing anything.

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The references to Night at the Museum made me think of television shows that have taught my kids (now 16 and 20) about pop culture.

One of the best ones was The Simpsons. Although it is occasionally in poor taste, it is full of references and parodies that can lead to some great discussions.

Another favorite (from many years ago) was Quantum Leap. I still have the end of the first episode stuck in my head, because my son's obsession with Buddy Holly lasted for a couple of years. (The kid at the end was playing a song about "Piggy Sue.")

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Ooh, I loved Quantum Leap when I was a kid--I've been meaning to get the DVDs for years, but haven't got around to saving up for them yet. And I liked Kung Fu with David Carradine.


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Oh, my. Your son is 15 and didn’t know who Michael Jackson is?
See why I need to have this class!! shock And we'll definitely find a bunch of videos, news clips, articles... anything that might be related to whomever we might be studying. The History Channel and A&E are great places to find all kinds of gems. And we'll definitely be recording some of those A&E biographies this year!

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Way ahead of you, Ann. I've already planned for those to be some of our read aloud books for this year. And for contrast, I'll show them the difference between the books and the show. (And I just got an email from another homeschool mom about Mars and Earth being as close as they'll ever be to one another in August. Guess we'll be doing a bit of astronomy then after all!)

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don't know if you're familiar with Dave Ramsey
Very familiar. Have read a lot of his tips and get notices all the time about the curriculum for the kids.

And thanks for the mention of Buddy Holly. Definitely have to add him.

Thanks again everybody!
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If you're going to do Buddy Holly, don't forget Richie Valens and the Big Bopper. If they've heard Don McLean's American Pie, it will give them a bit more understanding of what the song is about.


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And I just got an email from another homeschool mom about Mars and Earth being as close as they'll ever be to one another in August. Guess we'll be doing a bit of astronomy then after all!
I'm afraid that's the infamous Mars Hoax rearing its not-so-pretty head again, Squid!

Mars Hoax

The Mars Hoax claims that Mars will loom incredibly big in the sky in August, looking as big as the Moon. Unfortunately there is no substance to this claim. It is true that Mars came quite close to Earth in August 2003, which is when the Mars Hoax was born. Or rather, it was born the following summer, in 2004. It is extremely easy to predict how close the other planets will come to the Earth, since it has to do with simple orbital mechanics, and astronomers had announced the August 2003 Mars event well in advance. Apparently someone got the impression that Mars would come so close to the Earth that it would look as big and bright as the full Moon in August 2003. Well, nothing like that happened (and we are so lucky it didn't - the orbits of both Earth and Mars would have been catastrophically disturbed if Mars had come that close to the Earth). Mars was indeed bright in August 2003, but it looked like a bright star, nothing more.

When Mars didn't look as big and bright as the Moon in August 2003, the Mars Hoax rumor got started. This rumor claimed that Mars would indeed look as big as the Moon in the sky, and it would happen in 2004. When Mars in 2004 was a dud, a new rumor about Mars got started in 2005. Mars was bright in August that year, but not as bright as it had been in 2003. Now there is a new rumor, claiming that Mars will look as big as the Moon in August this year. But the truth is that Mars will not even look as bright this August as it did in 2003 or 2005.

This Mars Hoax warning may or may not be from 2009, because as I said, the Mars Hoax has been around for several years:

Mars Hoax warning

The Mars Hoax is a hoax, nothing more. Maybe you should take the opportunity to teach your sons that rumors are easily started on the internet, and you should be careful what you believe in?

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As a Greek, I feel compelled to suggest a few famous ancient Greeks, although you may have covered them in History/Literature/their relevant fields.

Themistocles? Pericles?

Socrates? Plato?

Herodotus? Thucydides?

Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides?

Euclides? Archimedes?

Hippocrates?

Aristotle?


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Now there is a new rumor, claiming that Mars will look as big as the Moon in August this year.
I just hope no one looks up at a harvest moon (don't know when exactly those occur) and think that it is Mars. When, as a child, I first saw the moon appear reddish-orange, I was totally freaked out....

(But at least I didn't freak out a few years ago when I first saw pink lightning. [Yes, I said, pink lightning.] I saw it several times in one night but have not ever seen it again.)


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