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#142871 01/10/04 04:40 AM
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Hey Labby,

I sent you an email with some stories for the archive a few weeks ago. When I didn't hear back from you, I sent another email last week, but I still haven't heard from you. I know you've had problems with your email in the past so I'm just wondering if that's what the deal is. Send me an email or post here and let me know what's going on and if I need to resend the stories. smile

Thanks!

~Anna

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Oh dear. Yes, last Friday, both hubby and I lost our internet connections and it took till the Wednesday to get back up and running, after many conversations with our server. They all agreed the fault was at their end, but proclaimed themselves baffled as to what it was and how to fix it. It wasn't until we were bumped up to supertech level (or Gandalf-level tech, as Stuart put it wink ) that the problem was fixed in literally 3 minutes.

And, of course, that was on the heels of two other sets of missing email problems I'd already experienced. <sigh>

Of course, when I got back online I had a whopping great mail backlog to deal with. And I know that at least one email didn't get through. So I guess your stories got lost in the melee too, Anna. frown Looks like you've just been doubly unlucky there.

Please do send them again! Everything's back up and running now, so you shouldn't have a problem getting through.

And, of course, this also applies to anyone else who sent me email during this period and is still waiting for a reply. If I'd received your email I would have answered it by now. My mailbox is currently entirely empty, nothing still pending. wink So if you haven't heard from me, please send again, thanks.

LabRat smile



Athos: If you'd told us what you were doing, we might have been able to plan this properly.
Aramis: Yes, sorry.
Athos: No, no, by all means, let's keep things suicidal.


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Gandalf-level tech? Interesting...

I propose a new tech support rating system...

Hobbit level = 1st level support (basically, when you call them and they tell you to reboot right away).

Frodo = level 2

Aragorn = level 3

And finally, Gandalf, for when it requires the ultimate in tech wizardry. wink

And when even Gandalf can't solve the problem, call in Gimli to chop up the PC into little pieces with an axe.

laugh


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EmilyH,
I love the idea for naming tech support levels - though we need to figure out where the elves fit in - maybe the developers.

Frank (Who gets called as level 3 support for performance problems, and wouldn't mind being associated with Aragorn.)


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Awww, Labby! I'd be grumble if I were you. Thanks for letting me know what's going on. I'm not at home right now, but as soon as I get home I'll resend the stories. smile

~Anna

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Hobbit level = 1st level support (basically, when you call them and they tell you to reboot right away).
I propose changing the 1st level to Gollum level, since Frodo is a Hobbit. Why Gollum, you ask? Well, the tech support people I usually talk to (sorry, Karen but this doesn't include you, and I apologize to any tech support people out there who aren't this way) are usually unenthusiastic and have unhelpful or even counterproductive suggestions. And you can't quite trust them to have the right answer.

(paraphrased since I don't have a script)
I know another way into Mordor.
Well, why didn't you take us there in the first place?
You didn't ask.

How many times did I feel like I was ensnared by Shelob after a tech support call? Far too many times, especially with Microsoft Tech Support, which I swear I will never call again. How many times do I have to tell you it isn't the freakin' video card?!?!?!?!?!? That's not why my DNS stopped working. Grr. (Hint: delete any memory manager from your config.sys file under Win95. It only took me 3 weeks and innumerable re-installs to solve this without the help of Microsoft.)


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LOL, Emily. And, yes, Roger, you bring back memories. <g> Gollum certainly suits.

We simply couldn't believe it. Tech after tech after tech and all of them without a clue. Finally we got one who said he'd bump the ticket up to Gandalf (this was Monday by then) and we had to call back the following evening to arrange a time for him to phone. We did, Gandalf phoned first thing the next morning and was literally on the phone just long enough to say, "Yeah, I know what the problem is and here's how you fix it." Two minutes later we were back up and running. :rolleyes:

Wasn't so much mad, Anna, as weeping in the corner by that point. goofy For the third time in a month, my brother avoided by a whisker getting a frantic phone call to use his pc so I could get the Archive upload to Lauren! laugh

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Heh, I kind of like the Gollum idea. Although I've been looking for IT work for a while, and 1st level tech support was something I was considering, so I'd personally much rather be associated with a hobbit.

I like the idea of Elves being the developers, too.


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i can definitely sympathize, labby. i've been having a really fun email "conversation" with earthlink tech support. i hit 2 hobbits before i got bumped up to frodo. he couldn't help, either, but basically made replying again more trouble than it was worth. at this point, i'm just going to give up and count all my old cookies and preferences as lost. not that much of a loss anyway, since i'll probably have to reinstall XPlode soon (my system tray's been malfunctioning due to some apparantly corrupted login files, and creating new users makes even more of a mess).

i'll paste the earthlink log here, for the heck of it. since it's an email log, the most recent replies are at the top. if you want to read it (rather than just skipping the whole thing), you'll have to start at the bottom of the post and work your way up.

Paul

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Dear Paul,

Thank you for your reply.

We understand your request for additional help in integrating these old cookies into your Internet Explorer program.

We would be very glad to assist you further however, we are afraid that it is best that you contact Windows to address this problem. We feel that they would be much more competent to resolve your problem as they have the expertise regarding this issue.

We hope you understand our point regarding this issue.

Should you have any further inquiries in the future please do contact us again.


Erik A 2795
EarthLink Electronic Customer Support
EarthLink, Inc.
Case ID 36077006

Tired of Spam? With EarthLink's free spamBlocker you can customize our
settings to eliminate 100% of your unwanted email! For more information
please visit http://www.earthlink.net/spamblocker
Resolve your customer service questions on-line at our Account maintenance
web site. To add email mailboxes, change passwords, or update your credit
card information, go to:
http://myaccount.earthlink.net
We also offer a wide variety of online self help options for technical
issues such as setting up your service, troubleshooting problems, or
just using the Internet and email, you can access clear, step-by-step
instructions at your Support Center:
http://support.earthlink.net



Original Message Follows:
-------------------------

ah, good. someone who understands the problem! a welcome step!

as for the cookie files themselves, they do still exist. i checked that
before. they're sitting there in the directory i mentioned. like i said,
i'd have manually transferred the cookie files, but IE won't recognize them
unless they're properly stored in index.dat. i can't replace index.dat
(losing my new cookies but getting back my old ones) because, as far as
windows is concerned, IE is always active (being an "integrated part of the
operating system") and using the file. not sure if there's anything that
can be done, other than to somehow patch the TA 2004 program so that it
once again uses both directories (tho storing new cookies in the standard
IE folder from now on is definitely a plus), but i'm hoping you can suggest
something i haven't thought of. thanks,

Paul


> [Original Message]
> From: support@earthlink.net <support@earthlink.net>
> To: Paul-Gabriel Wiener <zennerd@earthlink.net>
> Date: 1/10/2004 5:33:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Browsing Problems - Browser settings
(KMM61815806V73525L0KM)
>
> Dear Paul,
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> We understand your problem with recovering the old cookies you have in
your old EarthLink program.
>
> You indicated that you had a folder based on your old Earthlink program
which points to your old cookies. Now that you have upgraded to TotalAccess
2004, you now have lost those cookies and you would like us to help you
retrieve them. Unfortunately, this information may have already been lost
already. This may be due to the fact that due to the upgrade to TotalAccess
2004, that old folder may have been replaced or over written by the new one
when you installed TotalAccess 2004.
>
> We hope that this information helped you resolve your inquiry. If ever
you need any further help, feel free to contact us again.
>
>
> Erik A 2795
> EarthLink Electronic Customer Support
> EarthLink, Inc.
> Case ID 36077006
>
> Tired of Spam? With EarthLink's free spamBlocker you can customize our
> settings to eliminate 100% of your unwanted email! For more information
> please visit http://www.earthlink.net/spamblocker
>
> Resolve your customer service questions on-line at our Account
maintenance
> web site. To add email mailboxes, change passwords, or update your credit
> card information, go to:
> http://myaccount.earthlink.net
>
> We also offer a wide variety of online self help options for technical
> issues such as setting up your service, troubleshooting problems, or
> just using the Internet and email, you can access clear, step-by-step
> instructions at your Support Center:
> http://support.earthlink.net
>
>
>
> Original Message Follows:
> -------------------------
>
> certainly. what additional information do you require? i thought i had hit
> all the relevant points in previous emails (see full log below), but if
> there's something missing, please let me know what it is.
>
> Paul
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: support@earthlink.net <support@earthlink.net>
> > To: Paul-Gabriel Wiener <zennerd@earthlink.net>
> > Date: 1/7/2004 4:50:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: Browsing Problems - Browser settings
> (KMM61541027V11715L0KM)
> >
> > Dear Paul,
> >
> > Thank you for your reply.
> >
> > We understand that the resolution previously given did not help solve
the
> issue. We sincerely apologize for the confusion.
> >
> > We would like very much to assist you. Pease provide us with important
> additional information about your situation. This way, we would be able to
> provide the appropriate solution to the technical issues you are having.
> >
> > We will be waiting for your reply. Thank you for your patience.
> >
> >
> >
> > Valerie D 3031
> > EarthLink Electronic Customer Support
> > EarthLink, Inc.
> > Case ID 36077006
> >
> > Tired of Spam? With EarthLink's free spamBlocker you can customize our
> > settings to eliminate 100% of your unwanted email! For more
information
> > please visit http://www.earthlink.net/spamblocker
> >
> > Resolve your customer service questions on-line at our Account
> maintenance
> > web site. To add email mailboxes, change passwords, or update your
credit
> > card information, go to:
> > http://myaccount.earthlink.net
> >
> > We also offer a wide variety of online self help options for technical
> > issues such as setting up your service, troubleshooting problems, or
> > just using the Internet and email, you can access clear, step-by-step
> > instructions at your Support Center:
> > http://support.earthlink.net
> >
> > Original Message Follows:
> > -------------------------
> >
> >
> > that was not the information i needed. as a matter of fact, the email to
> > which you replied was one explaining that this very information is not
> what
> > i needed. please review the full case before responding again. if you
have
> > any further questions, i am more than willing to answer them as best i
> can.
> > i'd be much happier to respond to several rounds of questions than i
would
> > be with repeatedly receiving the same useless information. also, i'd
> > appreciate it if the case was not declared closed (as seems to have
> > happened) before you checked to see if the answer i was given actually
> > resolved the issue.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: support@earthlink.net <support@earthlink.net>
> > > To: Paul-Gabriel Wiener <zennerd@earthlink.net>
> > > Date: 1/7/2004 12:30:37 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Browsing Problems - Browser settings
> > (KMM61520104V96498L0KM)
> > >
> > > Dear Paul,
> > >
> > > Thank you for your reply.
> > >
> > > We understand your concern regarding cookies.
> > >
> > > In order to resolve this issue, please follow the steps below:
> > >
> > > Note: EarthLink Total Access utilizes Internet Explorer as its default
> > browser.
> > >
> > > How to Enable Cookies in Internet Explorer:
> > >
> > > 1. From the Start menu, click Settings, and choose Control Panel.
> > > 2. Double-click the Internet Options icon.
> > > 3. Click on the Privacy tab.
> > > 4. Click the Advanced button.
> > > 5. Check the box next to Override automatic cookie handling.
> > > 6. Click the Accept radio button in the First-party Cookies area.
> > > 7. Click the Accept radio button in the Third-party Cookies area.
> > > 8. Check the box next to Always allow session cookies.
> > > 9. Click the OK button.
> > > 10. Click the OK button.
> > >
> > > We hope you find the information helpful. Should you need further
> > assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us. EarthLink is deeply
> > committed to extraordinary customer service. It is our privilege to be
of
> > service to you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Valerie D 3031
> > > EarthLink Electronic Customer Support
> > > EarthLink, Inc.
> > > Case ID 36077006
> > >
> > > Tired of Spam? With EarthLink's free spamBlocker you can customize
our
> > > settings to eliminate 100% of your unwanted email! For more
> information
> > > please visit http://www.earthlink.net/spamblocker
> > >
> > > Resolve your customer service questions on-line at our Account
> > maintenance
> > > web site. To add email mailboxes, change passwords, or update your
> credit
> > > card information, go to:
> > > http://myaccount.earthlink.net
> > >
> > > We also offer a wide variety of online self help options for technical
> > > issues such as setting up your service, troubleshooting problems, or
> > > just using the Internet and email, you can access clear, step-by-step
> > > instructions at your Support Center:
> > > http://support.earthlink.net
> > >
> > > Original Message Follows:
> > > -------------------------
> > >
> > > that's not the problem. the browser is set up to use cookies. it uses
> the
> > > ones in the standard directory just fine.
> > >
> > > the problem is that earthlink created its own cookie directory, which
> it's
> > > been using since i got this comp, but, with the latest software
update,
> > > it's no longer using that directory.
> > >
> > > i like it better now that earthlink is using the standard windows
> > > directories, but i want to be able to use my old cookies from previous
> > > versions of earthlink. can you help with that?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: support@earthlink.net <support@earthlink.net>
> > > > To: Paul-Gabriel Wiener <zennerd@earthlink.net>
> > > > Date: 1/6/2004 7:10:57 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Browsing Problems - Browser settings
> > > (KMM61449121V34122L0KM)
> > > >
> > > > Dear Paul,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your reply.
> > > >
> > > > Please follow the below steps to enable your cookies:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Click on Tools.
> > > > 2. Click on Internet Options.
> > > > 3. Click on the Security Tab.
> > > > 4. Click on the Internet Icon.
> > > > 5. Click on Custom Level.
> > > > 6. Look for the Cookies section.
> > > > 7. Under "Allow cookies that are stored on your computer" select
> enable.
> > > > 8. Under "Allow per-session cookies (not stored) select enable.
> > > > 9. Click on OK.
> > > > 10. Click on OK.
> > > > 11. Close Internet Explorer.
> > > >
> > > > We hope this information is helpful for you. If you need further
> > > assistance, please let us know.
> > > >
> > > > Jessica G 2084
> > > > EarthLink Electronic Customer Support
> > > > EarthLink, Inc.
> > > > Case ID 36077006
> > > >
> > > > Tired of Spam? With EarthLink's free spamBlocker you can customize
> our
> > > > settings to eliminate 100% of your unwanted email! For more
> > information
> > > > please visit http://www.earthlink.net/spamblocker
> > > >
> > > > Resolve your customer service questions on-line at our Account
> > > maintenance
> > > > web site. To add email mailboxes, change passwords, or update your
> > credit
> > > > card information, go to:
> > > > http://myaccount.earthlink.net
> > > >
> > > > We also offer a wide variety of online self help options for
technical
> > > > issues such as setting up your service, troubleshooting problems, or
> > > > just using the Internet and email, you can access clear,
step-by-step
> > > > instructions at your Support Center:
> > > > http://support.earthlink.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Original Message Follows:
> > > > -------------------------
> > > >
> > > > i haven't received any error messages. the problem is just that IE
> isn't
> > > > loading the old cookies.
> > > >
> > > > here's the deal:
> > > >
> > > > earthlink has its own browser files. they're stored in
> > > >
> > > > c:/doccuments and settings/pgw/application
> > > > data/earthlink/6.0/zennerd@earthllink.net/
> > > >
> > > > that folder has its own favorites and cookies and settings and all
> that.
> > > >
> > > > yesterday, i preformed the latest earthlink software upgrade (to
> > > > 2004.1.42.0 from whatever the immediately prior version was... i
think
> > it
> > > > was still 2004. released in December, if i recall correctly)
> > > >
> > > > since then, IE has not loaded any of the files from the earthlink
> > > directory
> > > > listed above. it's only been loading the cookies and favorites lists
> and
> > > so
> > > > on from
> > > >
> > > > c:/doccuments and settings/pgw/
> > > >
> > > > so, to fix the favorites menu, i copied the contents of:
> > > >
> > > > c:/doccuments and settings/pgw/application
> > > > data/earthlink/6.0/zennerd@earthllink.net/favorites/
> > > >
> > > > to
> > > >
> > > > c:/doccuments and settings/pgw/favorites/
> > > >
> > > > however, the same solution did not work for the cookies because, for
> > some
> > > > reason, i couldn't modify the index.dat file in c:/doccuments and
> > > > settings/pgw/cookies/
> > > >
> > > > so, what i'd like is for my cookies (which have website logins and
> > > > preferences and such) to load properly. either to transfer the
cookies
> > to
> > > > the general cookie directory or to get earthlink to start loading
from
> > its
> > > > own directory again. any suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > From: support@earthlink.net <support@earthlink.net>
> > > > > To: Paul-Gabriel Wiener <zennerd@earthlink.net>; <pgw78@go.com>
> > > > > Date: 1/6/2004 4:44:20 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Browsing Problems - Browser settings
> > > (KMM61440320V25231L0KM)
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Paul,
> > > > >
> > > > > We have received your message however, so we could assist you
> further,
> > > we
> > > > will need more information:
> > > > >
> > > > > * A detailed description of the steps necessary to reproduce your
> > > problem.
> > > > > * The FULL TEXT of any error messages you have received.
> > > > >
> > > > > We will be waiting for your reply. Thank you for your patience.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jessica G 2084
> > > > > EarthLink Electronic Customer Support
> > > > > EarthLink, Inc.
> > > > > Case ID 36077006
> > > > >
> > > > > Tired of Spam? With EarthLink's free spamBlocker you can
customize
> > our
> > > > > settings to eliminate 100% of your unwanted email! For more
> > > information
> > > > > please visit http://www.earthlink.net/spamblocker
> > > > >
> > > > > Resolve your customer service questions on-line at our Account
> > > > maintenance
> > > > > web site. To add email mailboxes, change passwords, or update your
> > > credit
> > > > > card information, go to:
> > > > > http://myaccount.earthlink.net
> > > > >
> > > > > We also offer a wide variety of online self help options for
> technical
> > > > > issues such as setting up your service, troubleshooting problems,
or
> > > > > just using the Internet and email, you can access clear,
> step-by-step
> > > > > instructions at your Support Center:
> > > > > http://support.earthlink.net
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Original Message Follows:
> > > > > -------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Form Message
> > > > >
> > > > > RemoteHost: 207.69.138.135
> > > > > XForwardedForHost: 63.184.225.230, 207.69.138.139
> > > > > UserBrowser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1;
.NET
> > CLR
> > > > 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
> > > > > Referrer:
> http://support.earthlink.net/support/MYACCT/forms/csform.jsp
> > > > > First Name: Paul-Gabriel
> > > > > Last Name: Wiener
> > > > > Email Address: zennerd@earthlink.net
> > > > > Alternative Email: pgw78@go.com
> > > > > Account Type: Dial-up
> > > > > Issue: Browsing Problems
> > > > > Detailed Issue: Browser settings
> > > > > Operating System:
> > > > > Hardware: intel
> > > > > Application Type: IE6/TA4
> > > > > POP Phone: browser, not email
> > > > > DSL Phone:
> > > > > Domain:
> > > > > Account Verification:
> > > > > Invoice:
> > > > > Message Body: after upgrading to totalaccess 2004, IE stopped
> checking
> > > my
> > > > earthlink directory for cookies and favorites. i was able to copy my
> > > > earthlink favorites over to the standard favorites directory, but i
> > can't
> > > > transfer the cookies. not sure if other settings have been affected.
> > what
> > > > can i do?
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul


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Wow. Hrm, wonder what level support I am. Technically, I work first level, but we go far more into depth than just rebooting. My guess is that our techs would be hobbits/Frodos (with a few gollum's thrown in), and maybe I'm Aragorn. wink (Can't I just *have* Aragorn, instead? laugh )

And eek, Paul, all that emailing had to suck. I'm surprised they hadn't come up with that problem before you. But then, Earthlink apparently has proprietary software, and I know absolutely nothing about Earthlink other than how to set up a minimal account with them for my mother-in-law. The sad thing is, I can understand the miscommunication in the emails. I do support mail, too, and it's often hard to get to the root of the problem with a few emails. Especially when you can just shoot questions and answers back and forth like you can over the phone.


"You need me. You wouldn't be much of a hero without a villain. And you do love being the hero, don't you. The cheering children, the swooning women, you love it so much, it's made you my most reliable accomplice." -- Lex Luthor to Superman, Question Authority, Justice League Unlimited
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We would be very glad to assist you further however, we are afraid that it is best that you contact Windows to address this problem. We feel that they would be much more competent to resolve your problem as they have the expertise regarding this issue.
I'm a bit surprised they told you to contact Windows rather than Microsoft. It's not like Windows is the name of the company, after all, and they ought to know that.

This is a stupid question, perhaps, but have you tried searching the Microsoft knowledge base? I know they don't have everything, and what they do have often comes up under different keywords than you would expect it to, but every once in a while you can actually find things there.


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i was surprised, too, karen. the update is relatively new, but you'd think other people would write in about it, especially if they hadn't manually imported their own favorites lists.

certainly i can understand if it takes a few emails. i don't mind responding to questions and all. what was quite frustrating, however, was the impression that they were either not reading or not understanding what i was saying. i thought i was expressing myself clearly, but i obviously have a biased opinion about the matter. wink

after i simultaniously recieved a message asking me to fill out a survey (because the case had been marked closed) and the second email offering the same stock answer that had nothing to do with the case, i began to get frustrated and annoyed.

anyway, i've been happy with earthlink in general. we switched from AOL, and the comparison has been very favorable. earthlink software does more (spamblocker, spyware blocker, download accelerator, and now virus blocker come free, among other features), takes up less room, ties up less memory, crashes a heck of a lot less, and is less invasive. they also have better policies about screennames (you get up to 8, each with its own mailbox, 10mb web locker, etc., and, unlike, AOL, you can sign on with 2 screennames at a time. there's a minimal fee for doing that, but it's a lot better than AOL's policy of kicking both users off the network.)

i wasn't so happy when customer service wanted me to give them my password over the phone for identity verification. so, not only did they have access to my password, but they wanted me to say it out loud. that's not a policy i'm too happy about.

anyway, my point is that this experience with tech support should not be considered representative of earthlink service in general.

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I'm a bit surprised they told you to contact Windows rather than Microsoft. It's not like Windows is the name of the company, after all, and they ought to know that.
yeah, i noticed that, too, emily, along with some rather interesting gramatical choices.

as for the knowledge base, i haven't tried it for this issue, tho i have found useful info there on other topics. it's an interesting thought. maybe i'll give it a shot. like i said, tho, the issue is becoming moot as an OS reinstall looks progressively more likely. thanks for the suggestion, tho. smile

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I get people upset about us asking for the passwords on the phones, too. However, we don't do it for verification. We basically do it for email problems (to check if there's a large mail on the server, to find out if their account is email only, or to find out if there multiple failures) or dial in problems (you're getting a user/pass error when trying to connect? Let me try what you're typing and see if it works).

Now, Customer Service should automatically have access to your account information, including passwords. Why? Because they're the ones who have to set up your account, and make changes to your account. Tech Support, it depends on the company. In my company, the regular technicians have to see a lead tech to look up the password (I'm special, I have my own access, but that's because I was actually putting in accounts for a provider 2 years ago, and they never took it away. It's useful for my hotline/support mail days, though). But customers can change passwords, and it won't be reflected in our system, as it only shows the original password. Also, customers will be typing in the wrong password, so by asking customers for the password that they're typing in, we can verify that it is, in fact, the correct password. We've had customers become irate when we ask for their passwords, but if we didn't do that, we couldn't properly do our jobs. Besides, they called us, so they should know we are who we say we are. We can verify that the customer is who they say they are by key information in their account, including a verification code.

While I have no compulsions about asking for passwords on the phone, I will not ask for a password over email. If a person requests that we send them their password over email, I will give them the phone number for their local customer service office. The only password I do send out is the initial one for our quarantine service, and that password has no bearing on any other account functions. Wire-tapping doesn't happen often, and it takes a bit of knowledge to do it. But any idiot can accidentally open a virus that may send out that person's password in an email.


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if you need the password to help with a tech support issue, that's understandable. good of you not to send it via email, too.

i don't really like it being used for initial identity verification. i don't like people automatically looking it up, and i was surprised that they wanted it in the first place. i'm not worried about wire taps, crossed lines, or even about people accidentally picking up a signal from a portable phone (which i wasn't using anyway). the thing is that sometimes, when i call tech support, there are other people in the room or in earshot.

the other problem (which just popped to mind now) is that if someone were to somehow steal my password, that person would not only have access to my email and login, but would also be able to call customer service and make changes to my account. not that that's likely to happen to me, specifically, but we're talking about a general company policy here which applies to all users.

Paul


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